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newpattern Senior	11-Jul-2017 22:10        newpattern About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It takes more than 53 million shares to push up to 0.02 cts from 0.015 cts ( 5 bids) and 44 million shares to push down to 0.001 cts from 0.015cts ( 14 bids) Wind22i      ( Date: 11-Jul-2017 21:56) Posted: From 0.021 to 0.015...very soon it will be below 0.01?
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Wind22i Supreme	11-Jul-2017 21:56        Wind22i About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	From 0.021 to 0.015...very soon it will be below 0.01?
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newpattern Senior	11-Jul-2017 21:54        newpattern About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Push up easy or push down easy ??? newpattern      ( Date: 11-Jul-2017 21:53) Posted: 545  (Vallianz)        SGX        Last +/- Volume High Low 0.015 -0.001 11,642,000 0.015 0.015   Bid Vol Bid Ask Ask Vol 320,000 0.015 0.016 13,963,300 22,180,000 0.014 0.017 7,429,000 9,410,000 0.013 0.018 40,511,000 5,040,100 0.012 0.019 2,746,900 1,830,000 0.011 0.020 1,789,900 700,000 0.010 0.021 500,000 200,000 0.009 0.022 1,350,000 150,000 0.006 0.023 131,000 600,000 0.005 0.024 200,000 4,500,000 0.001 0.025 658,100 -- -- 0.029 220,000 -- -- 0.030 215,000 -- -- 0.035 200,000 -- -- 0.037 5,000 -- -- --   newbieliu      ( Date: 11-Jul-2017 19:35) Posted: Yea Must push above 0.020 else no point buying the eshares hhh
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newpattern Senior	11-Jul-2017 21:53        newpattern About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	545  (Vallianz)        SGX        Last +/- Volume High Low 0.015 -0.001 11,642,000 0.015 0.015   Bid Vol Bid Ask Ask Vol 320,000 0.015 0.016 13,963,300 22,180,000 0.014 0.017 7,429,000 9,410,000 0.013 0.018 40,511,000 5,040,100 0.012 0.019 2,746,900 1,830,000 0.011 0.020 1,789,900 700,000 0.010 0.021 500,000 200,000 0.009 0.022 1,350,000 150,000 0.006 0.023 131,000 600,000 0.005 0.024 200,000 4,500,000 0.001 0.025 658,100 -- -- 0.029 220,000 -- -- 0.030 215,000 -- -- 0.035 200,000 -- -- 0.037 5,000 -- -- --   newbieliu      ( Date: 11-Jul-2017 19:35) Posted: Yea Must push above 0.020 else no point buying the eshares hhha bishalnb      ( Date: 11-Jul-2017 14:34) Posted: thats why current price must push up
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newbieliu Elite	11-Jul-2017 19:35        newbieliu About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yea Must push above 0.020 else no point buying the eshares hhha bishalnb      ( Date: 11-Jul-2017 14:34) Posted: thats why current price must push up  newpattern      ( Date: 11-Jul-2017 09:16) Posted: who will buy the shares ? right shares and warrants price at 0.02 cts more than current price 0.015 cts
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newpattern Senior	11-Jul-2017 14:52        newpattern About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	If you buy 100 lots at 1.5 cts now after right shares need to pay 0.02 cts for another 100 lots and 2 free warrants need to pay subscription another 0.02 cts x 2 100 lots x 0.015 = $1500 right shares 100 lots x 0.02 cts = $2000 free x2 warrants for 100 lots =  0.02 x 200 = $4000 Total 400 lots = $7500 = average cost of shares = 0.01875 cts. If buy now must pay for right shares and warrants if not wasted. If buy later after ex -right entitlements may get cheaper
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bishalnb Master	11-Jul-2017 14:34        bishalnb About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	thats why current price must push up  newpattern      ( Date: 11-Jul-2017 09:16) Posted: who will buy the shares ? right shares and warrants price at 0.02 cts more than current price 0.015 cts
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newpattern Senior	11-Jul-2017 09:16        newpattern About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	who will buy the shares ? right shares and warrants price at 0.02 cts more than current price 0.015 cts
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RedEye1811 Master	07-Jul-2017 19:45        RedEye1811 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I tried to put things in numbers in my post above your reply. It from my reading of the documents. The numbers I crunched will change depending on proporation of allotment taken by other shareholders so needs to be kept in mind. My reading may be wrong and how connected so happy to be corrected. brchkho1      ( Date: 07-Jul-2017 18:20) Posted: Not sure if I am right, Vallianz is supposed to pay Swiber and Rawabi and instead of paying cash replaced by new share issued in order for these debts  to be  converted to shares just like those creditors of the subsidaiies. It will look better on the books, right? sheerluck      ( Date: 07-Jul-2017 16:25) Posted: I thought they can square off their receivables with Swiber?   How come now still need to pay so much to Swiber? And where is it that I got the impression that Rawabi will convert their loan to shares?     Now they are going to hold EGM to approve rights issue and Rawabi wants its money back?   I thought the company has cash to pay their creditors? Think I smell a rat now.   Will it be Rawabi wants to get back as much of its loan back as possible and make the company hold on to whatever cash they have so all trade creditor will have to take shares as payment? This is a titanic dilution thrown straight at shareholders faces.....
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RedEye1811 Master	07-Jul-2017 19:34        RedEye1811 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Admit I am scratching my head trying to work out your questions. The problem I think may be you not fully reading the various announcement fully and making the link. But perhaps I am wrong so try to think explain. You raise question on Swiber. It not a huge mystery VHL owes more to SHL than it due in particular to the share advance provided back April 2016 that got reclassified as payable later when SHL went into JM. In respect to the off-set agreement signed with JM of SHL it stated the balance. It also clear from the related disclosure that the amount of holding of SHL in VHL would not fully off-set the net amount due. And it explained how intend to deal with it and amounts.  Let me run through numbers as I read it, and feel free to correct me as I can be missing something. SHL is owed SG$40,792,565. SHL current holds 903,534,986 shares in VHL. As per off-set SHL will subscribe to 903,534,986 shares with 1,807,069,972 warrants. All at SG$0.02. The subscription for new shares be off-set against what owed so that SG$18,070,699.00 leaving amount owing of SG$22,721,866.00. The off-set agreement indicates the warrants will be converted up to amount still owing. This off-set will be done at a time after the rights issue. The total amount of warrants that can be converted is about 1,136,093,300 (they with have 670,976,672 warrants remaining that either they sell or pay in cash SG$0.02 to have issued). In the case of RHCL they are owed SG$141,676,987 (rounded a little). RHCL has 672,000,000 shares. For the rights issue they would get (for their holding 672,000,000 plus 1,344,000,000 warrants). Now, assuming on SHL and RHCL take up their allotments that leaves a balance of 2,903,526,820 rights issue shares with 5,807,053,640 warrants. It stated clearly RHCL agreed to take up the excess not taken by other shareholders. So again, assuming SHL and RHCL only take up allotment, then RHCL will have 3,577,526,820 rights issue shares plus 7,155,053,640 warrants. Payment for the rights issue shares will be off-set as per agreement. Hence, 3,577,526,820*SG$0.02 = SG$71,550,536.40. Balance remaining then is SG$141,676,987 - SG$71,550,536 = SG$70,126,451. The warrants RHCL has will then be converted at a later time to off-set that amount up to that owed. So 3,506,322,550 warrants held by RHCL be converted leaving RHCL with 2,300,731,090 that RHCL would need to subscribe for at SG$0.02. The precise proportions etc  will depend on how much of the remaining shareholders subscribe to the rights issue. RHCL may likely get less as the other SSH is likely to subscribe. So I am confused how you saying things like " Rawabi wants its money back" , " need to pay so much to Swiber" , and so on. Do not see where/how it is you inferring RHCL trying to get other shareholders to pay cash and then for VHL to pay RHCL the outstanding loan (now classified as equity in reflection of intent the advance to be converted and not looking it to be paid back). If every shareholder takes up rights issue as per maximum scenario then RHCL will have an amount of SG$13,440,000 off-set to convert part of advance to equity. RHCL then holding 1,344,000,000 warrants which according to agreement as written would be converted to equity with subscription amount off-set. Hence, another SG$26,880,000 of advance converted to equity. On this basis RHCL still have SG$101,356,986 to be converted. Not certain if be converted or be paid back but as they were looking to have a closer RP relationship I may suspect that if VHL did say a SG$30,000,000 job for RHCL then they simply convert the receivable to equity. The numbers will naturally vary depending on proportions taken up, but the documents seem quite clear and if work through numbers can gauge what happening. Happy to have pointed out if wrong.  sheerluck      ( Date: 07-Jul-2017 16:25) Posted: I thought they can square off their receivables with Swiber?   How come now still need to pay so much to Swiber? And where is it that I got the impression that Rawabi will convert their loan to shares?     Now they are going to hold EGM to approve rights issue and Rawabi wants its money back?   I thought the company has cash to pay their creditors? Think I smell a rat now.   Will it be Rawabi wants to get back as much of its loan back as possible and make the company hold on to whatever cash they have so all trade creditor will have to take shares as payment? This is a titanic dilution thrown straight at shareholders faces.....
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brchkho1 Master	07-Jul-2017 18:20        brchkho1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Not sure if I am right, Vallianz is supposed to pay Swiber and Rawabi and instead of paying cash replaced by new share issued in order for these debts  to be  converted to shares just like those creditors of the subsidaiies. It will look better on the books, right? sheerluck      ( Date: 07-Jul-2017 16:25) Posted: I thought they can square off their receivables with Swiber?   How come now still need to pay so much to Swiber? And where is it that I got the impression that Rawabi will convert their loan to shares?     Now they are going to hold EGM to approve rights issue and Rawabi wants its money back?   I thought the company has cash to pay their creditors? Think I smell a rat now.   Will it be Rawabi wants to get back as much of its loan back as possible and make the company hold on to whatever cash they have so all trade creditor will have to take shares as payment? This is a titanic dilution thrown straight at shareholders faces.....
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sheerluck Supreme	07-Jul-2017 16:25        sheerluck About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Work for your money first then let your money work for you"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I thought they can square off their receivables with Swiber?   How come now still need to pay so much to Swiber? And where is it that I got the impression that Rawabi will convert their loan to shares?     Now they are going to hold EGM to approve rights issue and Rawabi wants its money back?   I thought the company has cash to pay their creditors? Think I smell a rat now.   Will it be Rawabi wants to get back as much of its loan back as possible and make the company hold on to whatever cash they have so all trade creditor will have to take shares as payment? This is a titanic dilution thrown straight at shareholders faces.....
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ticktock Master	07-Jul-2017 12:58        ticktock About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	huge dilution and the question asked should be where is the money going? after squaring off advances from rawabi and swiber payable how much will be left for other useful purposes? i think will still go down...DYODD....i' ll wait for .00x levels or better yet wait for consolidation opportunity.
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bishalnb Master	05-Jul-2017 11:28        bishalnb About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	looks like the interest is back for penny, this is going back to 2c soon ha ha..  bishalnb      ( Date: 03-Jul-2017 15:47) Posted: firmly positioned at 1.5c, waiting for jump start  moron101      ( Date: 28-Jun-2017 19:42) Posted: Hit record low 0.014 this afternoon b4 closed at 0.015. What's wrong?
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bishalnb Master	03-Jul-2017 15:47        bishalnb About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	firmly positioned at 1.5c, waiting for jump start  moron101      ( Date: 28-Jun-2017 19:42) Posted: Hit record low 0.014 this afternoon b4 closed at 0.015. What's wrong?
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moron101 Elite	28-Jun-2017 19:42        moron101 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hit record low 0.014 this afternoon b4 closed at 0.015. What's wrong?
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ticktock Master	21-Jun-2017 09:02        ticktock About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	With all this dilution Its quite possible they go for consolidation later,if that happens current holders might lose a lot more just as in case of other stocks which went for rights and consolidation after that DYODD.
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bishalnb Master	20-Jun-2017 09:17        bishalnb About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	looks like downward pressure, will land at 0.015 or beyond
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ticktock Master	07-Jun-2017 16:52        ticktock About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The opportunity can come soon , this is just like many other counters in SGX that are going cheap due to too many shares outside the hold of SSH only way that can lift share price significantly is either a big strategic investor comes and start picking up the shares from the retailer or shares consolidation. Watch out for sub 1 cent levels when it will get attractive to pick up.
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RedEye1811 Master	28-May-2017 09:34        RedEye1811 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Was vested once, but divested quite a while back...like to keep eye on counters in this sector in case opportunities open if sector recovers and can bottom feed...perhaps continued interest will pay off in end, but too scared to stick toe in so just keep observing and researching... rainbowman      ( Date: 26-May-2017 20:27) Posted: No problem... hope your effort in this research translate to good profits eventually....haha RedEye1811      ( Date: 26-May-2017 20:14) Posted: Sorry. Typo. April 2016 NOT 2017. My error. To pay of notes payable that was due April 1 2016 Rawabi gave a shareholders advance. Swiber did a similar thing. They both gave about US$60 mill. For the notes payable paid out in November 2016 Swiber did not provide a shareholders advance. Rawabi did to the tune of about US$50 mill. That why Swiber shareholder advance far less that Rawabi.
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