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happyharvest Elite	01-Mar-2017 15:45        happyharvest About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	what is the something that you think you know? Demostation      ( Date: 01-Mar-2017 11:19) Posted: Seow seow if John is not guilty of manipulation, CAD, MAS and SGX faces must go to a hidden place, wahahaha!!  If wanna proof someobne guilty, it is all too easy.  If wanna prove somone innocent, it is also kind of difficult.  We are talking about stock trading and stock " manipulation" .    These are evils yet they might not be so.  If there are no traffic lights, crossing anyhow can also be said jaywalking if you are inconsiderate of motorists or even pedestrains. Yet if there are no traffic lights installed, or poorly installed, can we say someone is jaywalking?  Big question, lol lol lol.  Shssss I see Super group getting out of SGX, and many others might follow.  We pitiful small traders who are contributors to SGX' s income from our losses, will see very hard time ahead for many years. Something is wrong, and I know what is that something.  You people may also know, but we cannot change the course of the future, can we?  Actually, market so quiet, so time spent on non trading will be used to write nonsense... lol..
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Demostation Supreme	01-Mar-2017 15:23        Demostation About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yah, u right.  But theory is always " politically" correct.  Authorities always  create rules from rhetorics.  Rhetorics are assumptions based on reasonable arguments, though they might not be perfect or correct.  . Sharksaurs      ( Date: 01-Mar-2017 12:58) Posted: STI market have been ikan and soft since the ABL saga events, In all market there is always syndicate playing each counters. Just follow the BBs and as long as they follow the guideline, not anyhow sell down or buy up without logic, then its still part of trading. Anyway, all these measure in place are to protect the retailers from damage by these crooks. (regulation still require to safeguard) Demostation      ( Date: 01-Mar-2017 11:19) Posted: Seow seow if John is not guilty of manipulation, CAD, MAS and SGX faces must go to a hidden place, wahahaha!!  If wanna proof someobne guilty, it is all too easy.  If wanna prove somone innocent, it is also kind of difficult.  We are talking about stock trading and stock " manipulation" .    These are evils yet they might not be so.  If there are no traffic lights, crossing anyhow can also be said jaywalking if you are inconsiderate of motorists or even pedestrains. Yet if there are no traffic lights installed, or poorly installed, can we say someone is jaywalking?  Big question, lol lol lol.  Shssss I see Super group getting out of SGX, and many others might follow.  We pitiful small traders who are contributors to SGX' s income from our losses, will see very hard time ahead for many years. Something is wrong, and I know what is that something.  You people may also know, but we cannot change the course of the future, can we?  Actually, market so quiet, so time spent on non trading will be used to write nonsense... lol..
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Sharksaurs Senior	01-Mar-2017 12:58        Sharksaurs About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	STI market have been ikan and soft since the ABL saga events, In all market there is always syndicate playing each counters. Just follow the BBs and as long as they follow the guideline, not anyhow sell down or buy up without logic, then its still part of trading. Anyway, all these measure in place are to protect the retailers from damage by these crooks. (regulation still require to safeguard) Demostation      ( Date: 01-Mar-2017 11:19) Posted: Seow seow if John is not guilty of manipulation, CAD, MAS and SGX faces must go to a hidden place, wahahaha!!  If wanna proof someobne guilty, it is all too easy.  If wanna prove somone innocent, it is also kind of difficult.  We are talking about stock trading and stock " manipulation" .    These are evils yet they might not be so.  If there are no traffic lights, crossing anyhow can also be said jaywalking if you are inconsiderate of motorists or even pedestrains. Yet if there are no traffic lights installed, or poorly installed, can we say someone is jaywalking?  Big question, lol lol lol.  Shssss I see Super group getting out of SGX, and many others might follow.  We pitiful small traders who are contributors to SGX' s income from our losses, will see very hard time ahead for many years. Something is wrong, and I know what is that something.  You people may also know, but we cannot change the course of the future, can we?  Actually, market so quiet, so time spent on non trading will be used to write nonsense... lol..
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Daxtheman Veteran	01-Mar-2017 11:24        Daxtheman About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Many companies play punk, but focus is on John, making him the biggest scapegoat.
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Demostation Supreme	01-Mar-2017 11:19        Demostation About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Seow seow if John is not guilty of manipulation, CAD, MAS and SGX faces must go to a hidden place, wahahaha!!  If wanna proof someobne guilty, it is all too easy.  If wanna prove somone innocent, it is also kind of difficult.  We are talking about stock trading and stock " manipulation" .    These are evils yet they might not be so.  If there are no traffic lights, crossing anyhow can also be said jaywalking if you are inconsiderate of motorists or even pedestrains. Yet if there are no traffic lights installed, or poorly installed, can we say someone is jaywalking?  Big question, lol lol lol.  Shssss I see Super group getting out of SGX, and many others might follow.  We pitiful small traders who are contributors to SGX' s income from our losses, will see very hard time ahead for many years. Something is wrong, and I know what is that something.  You people may also know, but we cannot change the course of the future, can we?  Actually, market so quiet, so time spent on non trading will be used to write nonsense... lol..
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Eatnsleepz Member	01-Mar-2017 10:22        Eatnsleepz About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	So long.... zzzzz
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Daxtheman Veteran	01-Mar-2017 00:30        Daxtheman About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Penny play back once this case close
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happyharvest Elite	28-Feb-2017 23:52        happyharvest About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	almost nailing him. let' s say the case should conclude in mid of this year   Soh&rsquo s case will be next heard in a pre-trial conference on March 30. Wind22i      ( Date: 28-Feb-2017 23:28) Posted: Penny stock saga?s alleged mastermind John Soh denied bail faces total of 188 charges 28/02/17, 08:32 pm SINGAPORE (Feb 28): John Soh Chee Wen, the alleged mastermind behind the October 2013 penny stock saga, has been accused of seven new charges of witness tampering. Court today denied bail for Soh, who now faces a total of 188 charges. The Malaysian businessman has been held in remand since Nov 24 last year. Under the newest charges, Soh is accused of asking three witnesses to deny knowledge of dealings and transactions when they were questioned by the Criminal Affairs Department. The three witnesses are: Gabriel Gan, known to be a broker with DMG & Partners Ken Tai, of Algo Capital and Peter Chen, a senior executive with LionGold Corp. Together with Blumont Group and Asiasons Capital, LionGold is one of the three penny stocks at the centre of the saga. Asiasons Capital has since been renamed Attilan Group. After hearing from both the prosecution and Soh?s counsel, district judge Terence Tay called Soh the ?protagonist? of this case. The judge added that Soh has ?sufficient influence over the supporting cast?. Others involved in the case include Soh?s girlfriend and alleged co-mastermind, Quah Su Ling, who faces 178 charges of her own for her role in the saga. Quah, who is out on bail, had earlier wanted to visit Soh but was not allowed to. The court on Tuesday granted Soh?s request to give Quah a call. The third person charged thus far in this case, Goh Hin Calm, faces six charges, largely for helping Soh and Quah with their transactions. Soh's lawyer, Tan Chee Meng of WongPartnership, said that his client is willing to accept any bail condition, so that they can be better prepared for his trial. Tan said that Soh tried asking for space while in detention to store the necessary documents. The lawyer reported that prison authorities had retorted: ?this is not a hotel.? Tan also pointed out that the seven new charges of witness tampering were made known to him less than two hours before the hearing began on Tuesday afternoon. ?I was not able to take timely instructions from my client,? he said. Tan stressed the need for Soh to not face such ?prejudice? in the legal process. "Let?s not say John Soh was convicted because he was stifled in his defence," he said. The prosecutors, led by deputy public prosecutor Teo Guan Siew, argued that Soh is a flight risk. Prosecutors say Soh had previously used an Indonesian passport under the name of Didi Supardi to travel in and out of Singapore. Soh?s lawyer Tan said his client is willing to be tagged and monitored electronically, or be assigned a security guard to watch over him round the clock. Tan argued that Soh would have fled the country if he had wanted to, especially since the prosecution has alleged that he has the means to do so. ?My client remained as he believes in his innocence,? said Tan. Further, Tan reminded the court that Soh has complied with CAD?s interview requests throughout the investigation, which has lasted for more than two years. DPP Teo, however, said that Soh stayed put because he got ?complacent? and thought that the authorities would not be able to build a convincing case against him. According to DPP Teo, Soh had reportedly said: ?The case against me is very weak the case against Su Ling and the others is stronger.? Soh is alleged to have given Tai, one of the three witnesses he is accused of tampering, a summary of the statements Soh himself had made to CAD. Tai was told to ?sing to the same tune?. The second witness, Chen, who has been Soh?s close associate for at least a decade, was told not to admit that he was Soh?s nominee. The more direct, damning evidence against Soh was in the form of audio recordings of conversations between Soh and the third witness, Gan. In the conversation recordings, Soh was heard prepping Gan on how to answer questions when asked by the investigators. ?Stick to your usual stupid answers,? Soh told Gan. In addition, Soh is heard on the recordings telling Gan: ?Just push to KL. I don?t know!? ?These recordings are clear and direct evidence of tampering,? said DPP Teo. The recordings were discovered in Gan?s laptop, after authorities commenced investigation on another listed company, ISR Capital. Prosecutors say ISR is under the influence of Soh. According to the submissions made by the prosecutors, shares of ISR Capital plunged by more than half on Nov 24 ? the day Soh was arrested. Prior to the crash, shares of the company surged by 4,000% within months. ?Investigations also show that the accused was intimately involved in, and exercised influence over, the management and corporate affairs of ISR,? according to the submission. ?Some trading accounts that had previously been identified as having traded suspiciously in ISR were among the accounts responsible for the massive selloff.? Soh?s case will be next heard in a pre-trial conference on March 30.
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Wind22i Supreme	28-Feb-2017 23:28        Wind22i About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Penny stock saga?s alleged mastermind John Soh denied bail faces total of 188 charges 28/02/17, 08:32 pm SINGAPORE (Feb 28): John Soh Chee Wen, the alleged mastermind behind the October 2013 penny stock saga, has been accused of seven new charges of witness tampering. Court today denied bail for Soh, who now faces a total of 188 charges. The Malaysian businessman has been held in remand since Nov 24 last year. Under the newest charges, Soh is accused of asking three witnesses to deny knowledge of dealings and transactions when they were questioned by the Criminal Affairs Department. The three witnesses are: Gabriel Gan, known to be a broker with DMG & Partners Ken Tai, of Algo Capital and Peter Chen, a senior executive with LionGold Corp. Together with Blumont Group and Asiasons Capital, LionGold is one of the three penny stocks at the centre of the saga. Asiasons Capital has since been renamed Attilan Group. After hearing from both the prosecution and Soh?s counsel, district judge Terence Tay called Soh the ?protagonist? of this case. The judge added that Soh has ?sufficient influence over the supporting cast?. Others involved in the case include Soh?s girlfriend and alleged co-mastermind, Quah Su Ling, who faces 178 charges of her own for her role in the saga. Quah, who is out on bail, had earlier wanted to visit Soh but was not allowed to. The court on Tuesday granted Soh?s request to give Quah a call. The third person charged thus far in this case, Goh Hin Calm, faces six charges, largely for helping Soh and Quah with their transactions. Soh's lawyer, Tan Chee Meng of WongPartnership, said that his client is willing to accept any bail condition, so that they can be better prepared for his trial. Tan said that Soh tried asking for space while in detention to store the necessary documents. The lawyer reported that prison authorities had retorted: ?this is not a hotel.? Tan also pointed out that the seven new charges of witness tampering were made known to him less than two hours before the hearing began on Tuesday afternoon. ?I was not able to take timely instructions from my client,? he said. Tan stressed the need for Soh to not face such ?prejudice? in the legal process. "Let?s not say John Soh was convicted because he was stifled in his defence," he said. The prosecutors, led by deputy public prosecutor Teo Guan Siew, argued that Soh is a flight risk. Prosecutors say Soh had previously used an Indonesian passport under the name of Didi Supardi to travel in and out of Singapore. Soh?s lawyer Tan said his client is willing to be tagged and monitored electronically, or be assigned a security guard to watch over him round the clock. Tan argued that Soh would have fled the country if he had wanted to, especially since the prosecution has alleged that he has the means to do so. ?My client remained as he believes in his innocence,? said Tan. Further, Tan reminded the court that Soh has complied with CAD?s interview requests throughout the investigation, which has lasted for more than two years. DPP Teo, however, said that Soh stayed put because he got ?complacent? and thought that the authorities would not be able to build a convincing case against him. According to DPP Teo, Soh had reportedly said: ?The case against me is very weak the case against Su Ling and the others is stronger.? Soh is alleged to have given Tai, one of the three witnesses he is accused of tampering, a summary of the statements Soh himself had made to CAD. Tai was told to ?sing to the same tune?. The second witness, Chen, who has been Soh?s close associate for at least a decade, was told not to admit that he was Soh?s nominee. The more direct, damning evidence against Soh was in the form of audio recordings of conversations between Soh and the third witness, Gan. In the conversation recordings, Soh was heard prepping Gan on how to answer questions when asked by the investigators. ?Stick to your usual stupid answers,? Soh told Gan. In addition, Soh is heard on the recordings telling Gan: ?Just push to KL. I don?t know!? ?These recordings are clear and direct evidence of tampering,? said DPP Teo. The recordings were discovered in Gan?s laptop, after authorities commenced investigation on another listed company, ISR Capital. Prosecutors say ISR is under the influence of Soh. According to the submissions made by the prosecutors, shares of ISR Capital plunged by more than half on Nov 24 ? the day Soh was arrested. Prior to the crash, shares of the company surged by 4,000% within months. ?Investigations also show that the accused was intimately involved in, and exercised influence over, the management and corporate affairs of ISR,? according to the submission. ?Some trading accounts that had previously been identified as having traded suspiciously in ISR were among the accounts responsible for the massive selloff.? Soh?s case will be next heard in a pre-trial conference on March 30.
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