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marketuncle Senior	09-Jun-2020 09:23        marketuncle About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	can' t find too.
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Boatman Master	09-Jun-2020 09:17        Boatman About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	cant find in poems for  WPOB
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TheDuellist Senior	09-Jun-2020 09:05        TheDuellist About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Counter: WPOB anyway, unlikely it will move. Still, I will wish you Good Luck! Boatman      ( Date: 09-Jun-2020 09:01) Posted: any idea if u can find the mcb?
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Boatman Master	09-Jun-2020 09:01        Boatman About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	any idea if u can find the mcb?
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Boatman Master	09-Jun-2020 08:56        Boatman About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	going to sell MCB today if good price
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TheDuellist Senior	09-Jun-2020 08:31        TheDuellist About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I am not surprised because by right I am not supposed to get any excess afterall   I am not a SIA holder on record date. All my Rights bought via market transactions. However I just tried my luck. Therefore no regrets. Financial interest lost negligible. TA_Expert      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 23:06) Posted: I am surprised that you didn' t any excess rights. This shows that the demand is overwhelming. Looke at US airlines....... omg. TheDuellist      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 22:09) Posted: I just got my refund back. 100% haha.... ok, no regrets. At least I got the Rights cheaply from the market. Tomorrow another long day......!
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TheDuellist Senior	09-Jun-2020 08:20        TheDuellist About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Those who are interested BUY/SELL WPOB will be listed today.
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SAVIORFOREVER Supreme	09-Jun-2020 08:13        SAVIORFOREVER About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bid Bid Vol(K) Ask Ask Vol(K) 4.270 0.2 4.320 14.1 4.250 3 4.330 2 4.240 80 4.350 64.2 4.220 106 4.360 2.5 4.210 132.5 4.370 23 4.200 125.3 4.380 32.3 4.190 94.5 4.390 47.5 4.180 69.3 4.400 90.1 4.170 49.9 4.410 128 4.160 133 4.420 51.1 4.150 77.9 4.430 50 4.140 13 4.440 36.2 4.130 7.3 4.450 64 4.120 5.5 4.460 45 4.110 7.8 4.470 25 4.100 95.3 4.480 74.6 4.080 71 4.490 63.2 4.070 3.1 4.500 203.4 Trade with market depth
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K.I.S.S Member	08-Jun-2020 23:25        K.I.S.S About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	how should the price of the mother shs looks like tmr
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TA_Expert Supreme	08-Jun-2020 23:06        TA_Expert About Contact  Quote this Post!   Yells: "The World has changed"
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I am surprised that you didn' t any excess rights. This shows that the demand is overwhelming. Looke at US airlines....... omg. TheDuellist      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 22:09) Posted: I just got my refund back. 100% haha.... ok, no regrets. At least I got the Rights cheaply from the market. Tomorrow another long day......!
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TheDuellist Senior	08-Jun-2020 22:42        TheDuellist About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Mine is via DBS (atm) I guess SIA will stagger the refund with 3 days, today inclusive commando      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 22:24) Posted: Yet to see any refund.. I apply for 2 lots excess nia TheDuellist      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 22:09) Posted: I just got my refund back. 100% haha.... ok, no regrets. At least I got the Rights cheaply from the market. Tomorrow another long day......!
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commando Master	08-Jun-2020 22:24        commando About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yet to see any refund.. I apply for 2 lots excess nia TheDuellist      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 22:09) Posted: I just got my refund back. 100% haha.... ok, no regrets. At least I got the Rights cheaply from the market. Tomorrow another long day......!
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TheDuellist Senior	08-Jun-2020 22:11        TheDuellist About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It' s in. Check your bank balances.
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OKAYCAN Master	08-Jun-2020 22:09        OKAYCAN About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Within three business day from today marketuncle      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 22:06) Posted: Anyone got back the refund for unsuccessful excess application?
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TheDuellist Senior	08-Jun-2020 22:09        TheDuellist About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I just got my refund back. 100% haha.... ok, no regrets. At least I got the Rights cheaply from the market. Tomorrow another long day......!
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marketuncle Senior	08-Jun-2020 22:06        marketuncle About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Anyone got back the refund for unsuccessful excess application?
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TheDuellist Senior	08-Jun-2020 20:21        TheDuellist About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Something to consider when buying bonds.  Compared to stocks, you dont get dividends. But.... Already understood it is for Long-term. Presuming no early redemption, you will get $1.80 for every $1.00 you put in, not cash, but equivalent value in shares. You can Sell your bonds anytime you wish. The longer you hold, the higher value you get. Eg: if you Sell on 9th Year, you could probably sell for $1.70 via market transactions. Bonds are for investors. Those of us watching the market everyday would normally park your funds in shares, and not bother about bonds. But to each his own....really!
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SQueeze Master	08-Jun-2020 18:54        SQueeze About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes. Agree with you.  This is not zero risk like safe deposit. I already know there are 2 ways that principal is not safe and in my assessment the likelihood of it happening is very slim. So the upside is not bad.  What I wanted to explain to the earlier queries is that they have the impression that as the bond prices fall, the money is lost for good. It is not if you hold on to it till redemption or maturity and the two conditions stated do not happen.    whenissued      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 18:22) Posted: For all non-government bonds, the principal is NOT SAFE. If the company backing the bond fails, the bond fails too, ie, all money is lost. If the government is corrupt, inept and continues to print money (increasing money supply) without proper economic justification, government bonds can also fail.  An example of a failed non-government bond is  Hyfux Perpetuals and Olivia Lum-rubbish.    I personally lost $5k. I do not expect any return, let alone the principal. Any money coming from this debacle (fat chance!) will be used to buy a McDonald' s Value Meal.  SIA MCBs are indirectly government-backed  via Temasek. The government will not let SIA fail for the sake of national interest. These bonds are relatively safe.  However, if (God forbid) in the next 10 years corruption sets in the government, then SIA MCBs will be as safe as any non-government bond, ie, not safe at all.  Given that the government will never let SIA fail, the Board of Directors and CEO will be under a  very intense microscope  in managing a sustainable recovery for the company. There likely will be a change in the Board of Directors and CEO in the near future, given that SIA did not perform well even before the Covid-19 pandemic set in. One area of SIA' s operations that will need a structural change would be the way it handles its purchases of aviation fuel. SIA could not unlock themselves from oil hedging positions when the bottom fell out on the price of oil. While the rest of the world enjoyed the oil producer paying people to take the oil off their hands, SIA was paying through their proverbial noses for their fuel. Kind of like what motorists in Singapore experiences when the price of oil drops drastically, the petrol stations slowly drop their prices by a few cents, but when the price of oil rises, the petrol station prices react with price revisions almost immediately.  Bottom line: SIA MCBs are  unique bonds  which are  very safe. And given hat Temasek holds 95+% of the MCB float, shorting this bond is nothing short of suicide. But since this is Covid-19 period, there will be some who will try to beat the odds. Just my less than one cent worth' s opinion... Vested in shares and MCBs SQueeze      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 17:48) Posted: I think people are misunderstanding the MCB.  The MCB is a bond, not a stock. It has a principal amount and interest of 4% to 8% per year depending on how far it is from now (further means higher interest).  Unlike stocks, this principal is safe. They will pay you back this principal amount of $1 plus interests when they redeem it half way or when it matures, they will give you 180% (in the latter case, they will give it in shares). Yes you can lose some money if you trade the bond at the market price, but you will not lose anything if you have the holding power till it redeems or it matures. The only time you lose money that time is when SIA goes bankrupt (very unlikely to happen) or if after 10 years, SIA shares trade less than $2.68 (also unlikely to me).  Don' t go into thseunless you know what bonds are. They are not stocks. They don' t need to be traded like stocks. It' s more like you are lending them money and then they will pay you back later plus some pretty good interest.
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whenissued Member	08-Jun-2020 18:22        whenissued About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	For all non-government bonds, the principal is NOT SAFE. If the company backing the bond fails, the bond fails too, ie, all money is lost. If the government is corrupt, inept and continues to print money (increasing money supply) without proper economic justification, government bonds can also fail.  An example of a failed non-government bond is  Hyfux Perpetuals and Olivia Lum-rubbish.    I personally lost $5k. I do not expect any return, let alone the principal. Any money coming from this debacle (fat chance!) will be used to buy a McDonald' s Value Meal.  SIA MCBs are indirectly government-backed  via Temasek. The government will not let SIA fail for the sake of national interest. These bonds are relatively safe.  However, if (God forbid) in the next 10 years corruption sets in the government, then SIA MCBs will be as safe as any non-government bond, ie, not safe at all.  Given that the government will never let SIA fail, the Board of Directors and CEO will be under a  very intense microscope  in managing a sustainable recovery for the company. There likely will be a change in the Board of Directors and CEO in the near future, given that SIA did not perform well even before the Covid-19 pandemic set in. One area of SIA' s operations that will need a structural change would be the way it handles its purchases of aviation fuel. SIA could not unlock themselves from oil hedging positions when the bottom fell out on the price of oil. While the rest of the world enjoyed the oil producer paying people to take the oil off their hands, SIA was paying through their proverbial noses for their fuel. Kind of like what motorists in Singapore experiences when the price of oil drops drastically, the petrol stations slowly drop their prices by a few cents, but when the price of oil rises, the petrol station prices react with price revisions almost immediately.  Bottom line: SIA MCBs are  unique bonds  which are  very safe. And given hat Temasek holds 95+% of the MCB float, shorting this bond is nothing short of suicide. But since this is Covid-19 period, there will be some who will try to beat the odds. Just my less than one cent worth' s opinion... Vested in shares and MCBs SQueeze      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 17:48) Posted: I think people are misunderstanding the MCB.  The MCB is a bond, not a stock. It has a principal amount and interest of 4% to 8% per year depending on how far it is from now (further means higher interest).  Unlike stocks, this principal is safe. They will pay you back this principal amount of $1 plus interests when they redeem it half way or when it matures, they will give you 180% (in the latter case, they will give it in shares). Yes you can lose some money if you trade the bond at the market price, but you will not lose anything if you have the holding power till it redeems or it matures. The only time you lose money that time is when SIA goes bankrupt (very unlikely to happen) or if after 10 years, SIA shares trade less than $2.68 (also unlikely to me).  Don' t go into thseunless you know what bonds are. They are not stocks. They don' t need to be traded like stocks. It' s more like you are lending them money and then they will pay you back later plus some pretty good interest.  lingua101      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 17:38) Posted: but the down side is only $1 right?  am I missing something
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uiop1223 Supreme	08-Jun-2020 18:18        uiop1223 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bonds not as volatile as shares but u may still lose big just like hyflux bonds. The price of bond should mirror to a certain extend, share price of the company too. When a company is in distressed, value of bond also falls. Bond valuation also depends on market?s assessment of whether the company can fulfill its obligation to the bond, like payment of interest and redemption at maturity etc. Chances are slim due to temasek backing at the moment but no one knows how in 10yrs time. Nothing is certain though i agree that SIA is very unlikely to go bankrupt.. but what if another virus hit in 10yrs time again? SQueeze      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 17:48) Posted: I think people are misunderstanding the MCB.  The MCB is a bond, not a stock. It has a principal amount and interest of 4% to 8% per year depending on how far it is from now (further means higher interest).  Unlike stocks, this principal is safe. They will pay you back this principal amount of $1 plus interests when they redeem it half way or when it matures, they will give you 180% (in the latter case, they will give it in shares). Yes you can lose some money if you trade the bond at the market price, but you will not lose anything if you have the holding power till it redeems or it matures. The only time you lose money that time is when SIA goes bankrupt (very unlikely to happen) or if after 10 years, SIA shares trade less than $2.68 (also unlikely to me).  Don' t go into thseunless you know what bonds are. They are not stocks. They don' t need to be traded like stocks. It' s more like you are lending them money and then they will pay you back later plus some pretty good interest.  lingua101      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 17:38) Posted: but the down side is only $1 right?  am I missing something
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