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BinderyT Master	05-Feb-2024 10:01        BinderyT About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 2  Alert Admin	FH' s EPS was only 4c last report and expectation is 5c this coming report. With 40% payout, expected dividend is only 2c. Show us your calculation for 2.75c - 3.5c. ss2017.      ( Date: 05-Feb-2024 08:57) Posted: You are right. Everyday the price is in manipulation, who's behind it is beyond our guesses. China and HK dipped 22% in a year so revenge rebound is likely, coupling with the country potentially launching new regulation policy to save the markets is probable. First this counter is cash rich, DI with high collateral, to generate dividend is no problems. We get 2.75c long term is no problem , short term dividend range 2.75~3.5c. You can object to it and come out with your reasoning, I welcome it. The threat now is mkt makers wanted to test new low to collect more, the tendency of getting new low is highly possible before we get that revenge rebound. So stay vigilant if you are long holders. For not vested ones I just ignore them. Happy days ahead 🎈 Panda8      ( Date: 05-Feb-2024 07:39) Posted: Sorry, just check. What make you think that the china economic can recover within a year? What make you think that the dividend will be between 22.75 to 3.5c. If so, do you think the share price can fall? Think deeply, may be SBB could be left to right pocket for some reasons? ........
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fatpig Senior	05-Feb-2024 09:29        fatpig About Contact  Quote this Post!
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ss2017. Supreme	05-Feb-2024 08:57        ss2017. About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 3  Alert Admin	You are right. Everyday the price is in manipulation, who's behind it is beyond our guesses. China and HK dipped 22% in a year so revenge rebound is likely, coupling with the country potentially launching new regulation policy to save the markets is probable. First this counter is cash rich, DI with high collateral, to generate dividend is no problems. We get 2.75c long term is no problem , short term dividend range 2.75~3.5c. You can object to it and come out with your reasoning, I welcome it. The threat now is mkt makers wanted to test new low to collect more, the tendency of getting new low is highly possible before we get that revenge rebound. So stay vigilant if you are long holders. For not vested ones I just ignore them. Happy days ahead 🎈 Panda8      ( Date: 05-Feb-2024 07:39) Posted: Sorry, just check. What make you think that the china economic can recover within a year? What make you think that the dividend will be between 22.75 to 3.5c. If so, do you think the share price can fall? Think deeply, may be SBB could be left to right pocket for some reasons? ........
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Panda8 Veteran	05-Feb-2024 07:39        Panda8 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Sorry, just check. What make you think that the china economic can recover within a year? What make you think that the dividend will be between 22.75 to 3.5c. If so, do you think the share price can fall? Think deeply, may be SBB could be left to right pocket for some reasons? ........
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ss2017. Supreme	04-Feb-2024 16:13        ss2017. About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The price is in short term weakness until China's broader property and shares mkt recovery within a year time. Happy to see the dividend range over the next few years 3.5c~2.75c. According to analysts and simply wall street recommended, share price falls in between 75c~88c. Any weakness can consider adding slowly when China mkt does reach the bottom for a rebound.
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HVRRVH Elite	03-Feb-2024 11:57        HVRRVH About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes they are not quite the same, but, to say YZJF is a debt investment compay only is also inaccurate. They have fund management, venture fund in the shape of Maritime fund, they also invested in PE just like Temasek and other funds, and generate fees to by managing private funds. Right now, I think the share price won' t go anywhere because YZJF is such a new entity. Not tested but with great potentials I would say. Having said so, it is ok for the price to be stagnant as long as it remains profitable with good dividend while the company trying to forge its way forward. Like I said, current market price is fair but the potential is huge and those with faith can count on the dividends while waiting. Of course, it is not a sure bet but as with any investment, nothing is sure so it is down to each individual to decide where to put their money.  BinderyT      ( Date: 03-Feb-2024 09:57) Posted: iFast is a platform company generating fees from services. FH is a debt investment company making interest on its own limited funds.  Since you don' t even know the difference, you should not be encouraging others to buy.  ss2017.      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 17:46) Posted: You look at ifast share price and earnings. You have all the reasons to hold this "weak counter" YZJFH as pointed out by rivalry. I wish you slowly collect and be in our camp. The angbao is $8k, $88k and for some $188k 😂 cheers
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BinderyT Master	03-Feb-2024 09:57        BinderyT About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 1   x 1  Alert Admin	iFast is a platform company generating fees from services. FH is a debt investment company making interest on its own limited funds.  Since you don' t even know the difference, you should not be encouraging others to buy.  ss2017.      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 17:46) Posted: You look at ifast share price and earnings. You have all the reasons to hold this "weak counter" YZJFH as pointed out by rivalry. I wish you slowly collect and be in our camp. The angbao is $8k, $88k and for some $188k 😂 cheers MambaFinancial89      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 17:39) Posted: Bought at 0.315, DBSV indicated my counterparty was Goldman Sachs. Indicates that either an institutional fund or private HNW investor was the seller. Goldman doesn' t service retail peeps like us bro...
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sgng123 Supreme	02-Feb-2024 20:10        sgng123 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It like that for china based stocks, ah moh houses depressed stock price to collect very cheaply later when china economy rebound. So when the rebound it can go double/triple value as Ah house buy in to cover years of shorts. Enjoys dividend for now very good yield if no NPL provision.
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ss2017. Supreme	02-Feb-2024 17:46        ss2017. About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	You look at ifast share price and earnings. You have all the reasons to hold this "weak counter" YZJFH as pointed out by rivalry. I wish you slowly collect and be in our camp. The angbao is $8k, $88k and for some $188k 😂 cheers MambaFinancial89      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 17:39) Posted: Bought at 0.315, DBSV indicated my counterparty was Goldman Sachs. Indicates that either an institutional fund or private HNW investor was the seller. Goldman doesn' t service retail peeps like us bro...    ss2017.      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 17:31) Posted: GS is not in a list of foregin funds house
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MambaFinancial89 Veteran	02-Feb-2024 17:39        MambaFinancial89 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental   Yells: "Be greedy when others are fearful. "
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bought at 0.315, DBSV indicated my counterparty was Goldman Sachs. Indicates that either an institutional fund or private HNW investor was the seller. Goldman doesn' t service retail peeps like us bro...    ss2017.      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 17:31) Posted: GS is not in a list of foregin funds house. MambaFinancial89      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 17:23) Posted: Just FYI I have begun to average down further and purchased a chunk at 0.315.  Counterparty -  Goldman Sachs Playing with the big boys...
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112233 Master	02-Feb-2024 17:38        112233 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	hi mamba bro, real or not ?  ss2017.      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 17:31) Posted: GS is not in a list of foregin funds house. MambaFinancial89      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 17:23) Posted: Just FYI I have begun to average down further and purchased a chunk at 0.315.  Counterparty -  Goldman Sachs Playing with the big boys...
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ss2017. Supreme	02-Feb-2024 17:31        ss2017. About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	GS is not in a list of foregin funds house. MambaFinancial89      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 17:23) Posted: Just FYI I have begun to average down further and purchased a chunk at 0.315.  Counterparty -  Goldman Sachs Playing with the big boys...
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TANPK123 Elite	02-Feb-2024 17:25        TANPK123 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This gonna short down to 0.285. It's trap.
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MambaFinancial89 Veteran	02-Feb-2024 17:23        MambaFinancial89 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Fundamental   Yells: "Be greedy when others are fearful. "
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Just FYI I have begun to average down further and purchased a chunk at 0.315.  Counterparty -  Goldman Sachs Playing with the big boys...
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ss2017. Supreme	02-Feb-2024 17:05        ss2017. About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Today selling 31.5c is more then buying. However only 63,800 shares sold at 31c as at 5pm. They depressed mkt is to create fear, short has imprinted fear on the peope mind.
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SAVIORFOREVER Supreme	02-Feb-2024 16:15        SAVIORFOREVER About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 2  Alert Admin	Hope some goondu can throw 31 @ closing. Trade with opportunity and DYODD BinderyT      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 15:56) Posted: Short selling does not weaken a stock.   But a weak stock will attract short sellers. Stop blaming short sellers, contra buyers, etc.   The reason why FH has nothing to do with how it is traded.  ss2017.      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 15:27) Posted: If not people like you supported short crazy. You think I want to make noise, I can enjoy my cruise everyday
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ss2017. Supreme	02-Feb-2024 16:02        ss2017. About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes I hope you are a 100% right. Good luck to your trading and a happy cny. BinderyT      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 15:56) Posted: Short selling does not weaken a stock.   But a weak stock will attract short sellers. Stop blaming short sellers, contra buyers, etc.   The reason why FH has nothing to do with how it is traded.  ss2017.      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 15:27) Posted: If not people like you supported short crazy. You think I want to make noise, I can enjoy my cruise everyday
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BinderyT Master	02-Feb-2024 15:56        BinderyT About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 1  Alert Admin	Short selling does not weaken a stock.   But a weak stock will attract short sellers. Stop blaming short sellers, contra buyers, etc.   The reason why FH has nothing to do with how it is traded.  ss2017.      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 15:27) Posted: If not people like you supported short crazy. You think I want to make noise, I can enjoy my cruise everyday. BinderyT      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 13:02) Posted: If share price is not important, why are you here everyday making noise about price movement
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pkli899 Supreme	02-Feb-2024 15:52        pkli899 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Haha............nice read. As usual, laughing while I read. emailpeter      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 13:55) Posted: No right or wrong path in investing. Everyone entitled to own views & aims. Given the challenging times ahead. And the infancy of this company, as I predict it next 3 yrs, ave 2.8c div, $250m NPAT, TP stubbornly < 38c for 3 yrs. SS prevail, no institutions nor gangsters will fry in yet. For those who like this yield, can stay on. Or buy in, help me & my friends get out some....haha For those who can earn better elsewhere, sell out and come back in at 40c in Dec 2026. And lets enjoy a nice smooth ride to 70c (half NTA) or 1.40 (NTA after hoarding so much). And even choose to ride it further for 3.00. Maestro Ren will graduate his uni degree, and conquers financial world. It will one day be MSCI share, it did spend 24hrs in it before. Tasted the good honey. Enjoy your weekend investors. Every path is the right path.... PS: Pray hard history don't repeat. He hoards 10 yrs profits. Pass to grandchildren to re-list a popcorn store...as tho we haven't munched enough last 3 yrs.....
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pkli899 Supreme	02-Feb-2024 15:50        pkli899 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes, u may be right at this moment. But I believe it will change for the better. I' m willing to wait. Let' s see in a few years' time. BinderyT      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 12:18) Posted: No, it won' t.  It is a dead stock managing its own money with little growth prospect. That' s why SBB and shortsellers dominate daily trade.  pkli899      ( Date: 02-Feb-2024 10:25) Posted: I said before and saying it again. Price will take care of itself once good dividends are given out and market realize it is sustainable.  Interest in the stock will follows. Long holders most probably are holding this believe as me. We are patient enough to wait for it to happen.
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