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lifeisgood ( Date: 26-Mar-2019 11:46) Posted:
Thanks for the most useful update. This banning of presales thing if implemented across the major cities will hit many developers hard. Much more capital will be required.
 
CheeryVGoh ( Date: 26-Mar-2019 11:28) Posted:
FROM DBS
China / Real Estate
China Property: What if there is no presales system?
Group Research / October 29, 2018
We believe a sell-upon-completion environment will redirect developers&rsquo future investment focus back to profitability when making land acquisition decisions.
Key summary points
- Impact from the abolition of presales to be gradually felt if implemented to all new land
- Market consolidation to accelerate
- M& A to become increasingly popular but at higher prices during the transition period
- Supply/saleable resources to fall significantly and translate into lower earnings
- Developers with ample existing land reserves stand to benefit during the transition period
 
 
Photo credit: AFP Photo
In this report, we have done a hypothetical analysis on what the property sector would look like if all new supply of development sites is required to be sold upon completion, as an extension to our previous report on Zhongshan&rsquo s implementation of sell-upon-completion policy for new residential sites. Our conclusions regarding potential near-term impacts are as follows: (1) sell-upon-completion is unlikely to be applicable to existing land banks but only to new sites supplied (2) the prices of new land offered have to be lower than those with presales allowed in order to attract developers&rsquo interests as IRR will remain stable only if land cost is 20% lower than those allowed for presales in a typical project. So far, 3 of the 6 land parcels launched for auction were sold to small developers with the remainder bought-in after receiving no bids during the tender.
Based on press reports, it is the Ministry of Land and Resources at Central Government level that is trying to push through the sell-upon-completion requirement. It will take at least five years for the initiative to take full impact on developers as (1) it would still take another 3-4 years to digest the existing land that are supplied but yet to be built (2) the initiative is only tested in Zhongshan at the moment and will take time for other cities to follow suit (3) developers will prioritise projects that are allowed for presales from the M& A market over new land auctions.
Although at the project level, IRR can be compensated by lower land cost, assuming an unchanged development loan quota, the total number of projects that a developer can run during a certain time period will be significantly reduced under the sell-upon-completion scenario, as capital will be taken up by the same project over a longer period. Our analysis shows that if sales time horizon is lengthened from 6-18 months to 24 months, the same amount of development loan can only support 2/3 or 1/2 of the saleable resources, which translates to a potential 1/3 or 1/2 decline in revenue. Developers currently pursuing a high asset turnover business model will be more impacted.
The adoption of a high asset turnover business model has been commended by the sector and investors over recent years on its ability to generate stronger IRR and achieve higher operational leverage to attain quicker scale expansion and enhance absolute returns. Yet, as shown in our analysis, a sell-upon-completion environment will limit developers&rsquo ability to maintain such a business model. We therefore believe this will redirect developers&rsquo future investment focus back to profitability when making land acquisition decisions. Furthermore, given possibly less project participation, developers&rsquo earnings may become more volatile in accordance with their booking schedules.
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Thanks for the most useful update. This banning of presales thing if implemented across the major cities will hit many developers hard. Much more capital will be required.
 
CheeryVGoh ( Date: 26-Mar-2019 11:28) Posted:
FROM DBS
China / Real Estate
China Property: What if there is no presales system?
Group Research / October 29, 2018
We believe a sell-upon-completion environment will redirect developers&rsquo future investment focus back to profitability when making land acquisition decisions.
Key summary points
- Impact from the abolition of presales to be gradually felt if implemented to all new land
- Market consolidation to accelerate
- M& A to become increasingly popular but at higher prices during the transition period
- Supply/saleable resources to fall significantly and translate into lower earnings
- Developers with ample existing land reserves stand to benefit during the transition period
 
 
Photo credit: AFP Photo
In this report, we have done a hypothetical analysis on what the property sector would look like if all new supply of development sites is required to be sold upon completion, as an extension to our previous report on Zhongshan&rsquo s implementation of sell-upon-completion policy for new residential sites. Our conclusions regarding potential near-term impacts are as follows: (1) sell-upon-completion is unlikely to be applicable to existing land banks but only to new sites supplied (2) the prices of new land offered have to be lower than those with presales allowed in order to attract developers&rsquo interests as IRR will remain stable only if land cost is 20% lower than those allowed for presales in a typical project. So far, 3 of the 6 land parcels launched for auction were sold to small developers with the remainder bought-in after receiving no bids during the tender.
Based on press reports, it is the Ministry of Land and Resources at Central Government level that is trying to push through the sell-upon-completion requirement. It will take at least five years for the initiative to take full impact on developers as (1) it would still take another 3-4 years to digest the existing land that are supplied but yet to be built (2) the initiative is only tested in Zhongshan at the moment and will take time for other cities to follow suit (3) developers will prioritise projects that are allowed for presales from the M& A market over new land auctions.
Although at the project level, IRR can be compensated by lower land cost, assuming an unchanged development loan quota, the total number of projects that a developer can run during a certain time period will be significantly reduced under the sell-upon-completion scenario, as capital will be taken up by the same project over a longer period. Our analysis shows that if sales time horizon is lengthened from 6-18 months to 24 months, the same amount of development loan can only support 2/3 or 1/2 of the saleable resources, which translates to a potential 1/3 or 1/2 decline in revenue. Developers currently pursuing a high asset turnover business model will be more impacted.
The adoption of a high asset turnover business model has been commended by the sector and investors over recent years on its ability to generate stronger IRR and achieve higher operational leverage to attain quicker scale expansion and enhance absolute returns. Yet, as shown in our analysis, a sell-upon-completion environment will limit developers&rsquo ability to maintain such a business model. We therefore believe this will redirect developers&rsquo future investment focus back to profitability when making land acquisition decisions. Furthermore, given possibly less project participation, developers&rsquo earnings may become more volatile in accordance with their booking schedules.
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FROM DBS
China / Real Estate
China Property: What if there is no presales system?
Group Research / October 29, 2018
We believe a sell-upon-completion environment will redirect developers&rsquo future investment focus back to profitability when making land acquisition decisions.
Key summary points
- Impact from the abolition of presales to be gradually felt if implemented to all new land
- Market consolidation to accelerate
- M& A to become increasingly popular but at higher prices during the transition period
- Supply/saleable resources to fall significantly and translate into lower earnings
- Developers with ample existing land reserves stand to benefit during the transition period
 
 
Photo credit: AFP Photo
In this report, we have done a hypothetical analysis on what the property sector would look like if all new supply of development sites is required to be sold upon completion, as an extension to our previous report on Zhongshan&rsquo s implementation of sell-upon-completion policy for new residential sites. Our conclusions regarding potential near-term impacts are as follows: (1) sell-upon-completion is unlikely to be applicable to existing land banks but only to new sites supplied (2) the prices of new land offered have to be lower than those with presales allowed in order to attract developers&rsquo interests as IRR will remain stable only if land cost is 20% lower than those allowed for presales in a typical project. So far, 3 of the 6 land parcels launched for auction were sold to small developers with the remainder bought-in after receiving no bids during the tender.
Based on press reports, it is the Ministry of Land and Resources at Central Government level that is trying to push through the sell-upon-completion requirement. It will take at least five years for the initiative to take full impact on developers as (1) it would still take another 3-4 years to digest the existing land that are supplied but yet to be built (2) the initiative is only tested in Zhongshan at the moment and will take time for other cities to follow suit (3) developers will prioritise projects that are allowed for presales from the M& A market over new land auctions.
Although at the project level, IRR can be compensated by lower land cost, assuming an unchanged development loan quota, the total number of projects that a developer can run during a certain time period will be significantly reduced under the sell-upon-completion scenario, as capital will be taken up by the same project over a longer period. Our analysis shows that if sales time horizon is lengthened from 6-18 months to 24 months, the same amount of development loan can only support 2/3 or 1/2 of the saleable resources, which translates to a potential 1/3 or 1/2 decline in revenue. Developers currently pursuing a high asset turnover business model will be more impacted.
The adoption of a high asset turnover business model has been commended by the sector and investors over recent years on its ability to generate stronger IRR and achieve higher operational leverage to attain quicker scale expansion and enhance absolute returns. Yet, as shown in our analysis, a sell-upon-completion environment will limit developers&rsquo ability to maintain such a business model. We therefore believe this will redirect developers&rsquo future investment focus back to profitability when making land acquisition decisions. Furthermore, given possibly less project participation, developers&rsquo earnings may become more volatile in accordance with their booking schedules.
I dont mind you feed or dont feed. I dont care as there are lots of other sources of info. It is just an open forum. You feed what serves your purpose.
JoleenChan ( Date: 26-Mar-2019 11:17) Posted:
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The Yung Kee goose is good. But Yanlord is good for shortists (so far). A lot of people like to badmouth Yanlord and apparently made money doing that. Runaway was very negative about Yanlord, but he wont disclose whether he is short Yanlord (just shouting short and asking people to mark his predictions only). JoleenChan on the other hand very bullish about Chinese properties. But she does not seem to have an answer whether China is going ahead to ban property presales. This is an important consideration for Chinese property stocks, as banning of presales can overnight kill many property developers, especially the high debt ones who will almost certainly run into cashflow trouble almost immediately. 
NL0261 ( Date: 26-Mar-2019 09:50) Posted:
I don?t mean the goose, is yor point of view for YL. I?ve got some holdings, ass luck! blame it on those cina crooks.
lifeisgood ( Date: 25-Mar-2019 10:47) Posted:
| Which 燒 鵝 ? 鏞 記 ? Very nice, but I heard closed shop already due to family feud |
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I don?t mean the goose, is yor point of view for YL. I?ve got some holdings, ass luck! blame it on those cina crooks.
lifeisgood ( Date: 25-Mar-2019 10:47) Posted:
Which 燒 鵝 ? 鏞 記 ? Very nice, but I heard closed shop already due to family feud.
NL0261 ( Date: 25-Mar-2019 10:42) Posted:
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This does not look like the old shop at the side rd at central. Where is it now? 
Starship ( Date: 25-Mar-2019 11:32) Posted:

lifeisgood ( Date: 25-Mar-2019 10:47) Posted:
| Which 燒 鵝 ? 鏞 記 ? Very nice, but I heard closed shop already due to family feud |
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lifeisgood ( Date: 25-Mar-2019 10:47) Posted:
Which 燒 鵝 ? 鏞 記 ? Very nice, but I heard closed shop already due to family feud.
NL0261 ( Date: 25-Mar-2019 10:42) Posted:
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Which 燒 鵝 ? 鏞 記 ? Very nice, but I heard closed shop already due to family feud.
NL0261 ( Date: 25-Mar-2019 10:42) Posted:
tats a good one really 👍
runaway ( Date: 24-Mar-2019 06:48) Posted:
It certainly sounds like best selling 烧 鹅 in HK.
If it was so good, the share price would not have dropped so much and stagnant for so long.
Do you have an explanation for the above?
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tats a good one really 👍
runaway ( Date: 24-Mar-2019 06:48) Posted:
It certainly sounds like best selling 烧 鹅 in HK.
If it was so good, the share price would not have dropped so much and stagnant for so long.
Do you have an explanation for the above?
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Hi Joleen, do you know whats happened to China' s review on Pre-Sales rule? Is China still planning on banning property pre-sales?
JoleenChan ( Date: 25-Mar-2019 07:55) Posted:
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It certainly sounds like best selling 烧 鹅 in HK.
If it was so good, the share price would not have dropped so much and stagnant for so long.
Do you have an explanation for the above?
 
SG thread So Hot until Deleted.
Yanlord thread So Hot until See Double........................    

Confirmed you are HH88888. Welcome back to YL.
JoleenChan ( Date: 18-Mar-2019 13:37) Posted:
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