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who will be happy the most if drop to zero ?
yellowveggiez ( Date: 20-Feb-2018 11:02) Posted:
price drop is quite scary though.
KAMAL0883 ( Date: 20-Feb-2018 10:53) Posted:
is the bond/notes drop sharply not the parent share
look like big bond/notes holder is selling for cash to cover their debt hole from somewhere
can see big lots are done by X ( mutual trade ) so is from one big hand to another big hand.. |
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Obviously someone need cash for something else....
as long as hyflux don' t go bankrupt...
price drop is quite scary though.
KAMAL0883 ( Date: 20-Feb-2018 10:53) Posted:
is the bond/notes drop sharply not the parent share
look like big bond/notes holder is selling for cash to cover their debt hole from somewhere
can see big lots are done by X ( mutual trade ) so is from one big hand to another big hand...
angmohlin ( Date: 20-Feb-2018 10:48) Posted:
| It is quite serious now and it is time for all the retailers joint force to organise a team to call the Directors to express their view of Hyflux' s ability as a going concern. We should holds them accountability for why Hyflux in so bad shape |
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is the bond/notes drop sharply not the parent share
look like big bond/notes holder is selling for cash to cover their debt hole from somewhere
can see big lots are done by X ( mutual trade ) so is from one big hand to another big hand...
angmohlin ( Date: 20-Feb-2018 10:48) Posted:
It is quite serious now and it is time for all the retailers joint force to organise a team to call the Directors to express their view of Hyflux' s ability as a going concern. We should holds them accountability for why Hyflux in so bad shape.
edchai ( Date: 20-Feb-2018 10:35) Posted:
6 % next year and still ok if the company redeems the shares in the future. But looking at the curent share price ..... make lot of people worry what wondering happen to the company.
Hyflux business is important to SG unless an alternative method able to replace its technologies to produce fresh water from other sources.
If Hyflux in trouble, do you think anyone will rescue the company ?
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SGX should step in to query the Directors and also to investigate whether is there an insider involved in the last two days trading.
It is quite serious now and it is time for all the retailers joint force to organise a team to call the Directors to express their view of Hyflux' s ability as a going concern. We should holds them accountability for why Hyflux in so bad shape.
edchai ( Date: 20-Feb-2018 10:35) Posted:
6 % next year and still ok if the company redeems the shares in the future. But looking at the curent share price ..... make lot of people worry what wondering happen to the company.
Hyflux business is important to SG unless an alternative method able to replace its technologies to produce fresh water from other sources.
If Hyflux in trouble, do you think anyone will rescue the company ?
lionhill ( Date: 20-Feb-2018 10:24) Posted:
Make sense.
but even if they won' t redeem in April, this price, this speed of falling is also rediculous. Afterall, some will recovered even if hyflux collapse soon |
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6 % next year and still ok if the company redeems the shares in the future. But looking at the curent share price ..... make lot of people worry what wondering happen to the company.
Hyflux business is important to SG unless an alternative method able to replace its technologies to produce fresh water from other sources.
If Hyflux in trouble, do you think anyone will rescue the company ?
lionhill ( Date: 20-Feb-2018 10:24) Posted:
Make sense.
but even if they won' t redeem in April, this price, this speed of falling is also rediculous. Afterall, some will recovered even if hyflux collapse soon.
surefire ( Date: 20-Feb-2018 09:01) Posted:
| Dont bet on it! Hyflux will Not be redeeming the prefs. Just doesnt make any sense. There' s no legal need to redeem and if the company issues new paper it would have to pay at least 8% interest (or more) so why waste money on redeeming and reissuing? It is also much cheaper to buy from the market than to redeem at par. The fact that it hasnt been buying from the mkt shows that the company is really short of cash. Even if cash comes in from disposals, it would only make sense to redeem if Hyflux can issue new paper at less than 8%. My opinion is the company will have to show itself more capable of making significant profits and improving cash inflows b4 the market will demand less return. Nothing will happen in April. The co will just pay its 3% semi-annual div and thats that. Hopefully within the following 6 to 12 months (maybe longer), its business will improve such that it makes sense to redee |
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Huh?
whoever buys the bond will still get paid if Hyflux pays. Smart people cutting loss.
Downside : 0$ if Hyflux goes belly up
Upside: 6cents for this round. And start worry again next year..
genting^2 ( Date: 20-Feb-2018 09:51) Posted:
| My analysis, by creating fear to sell, they do not need to pay so much dividends. If you keep it, you are entitled the dividend. |
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Make sense.
but even if they won' t redeem in April, this price, this speed of falling is also rediculous. Afterall, some will recovered even if hyflux collapse soon.
surefire ( Date: 20-Feb-2018 09:01) Posted:
Dont bet on it! Hyflux will Not be redeeming the prefs. Just doesnt make any sense. There' s no legal need to redeem and if the company issues new paper it would have to pay at least 8% interest (or more) so why waste money on redeeming and reissuing? It is also much cheaper to buy from the market than to redeem at par. The fact that it hasnt been buying from the mkt shows that the company is really short of cash. Even if cash comes in from disposals, it would only make sense to redeem if Hyflux can issue new paper at less than 8%. My opinion is the company will have to show itself more capable of making significant profits and improving cash inflows b4 the market will demand less return. Nothing will happen in April. The co will just pay its 3% semi-annual div and thats that. Hopefully within the following 6 to 12 months (maybe longer), its business will improve such that it makes sense to redeem
edchai ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 17:14) Posted:
Good profit if buy at current price when the company redeems it.
Risk vs gain. Anyone ? |
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My analysis, by creating fear to sell, they do not need to pay so much dividends. If you keep it, you are entitled the dividend.
Yesterday, the volume is condisered high, but also only 9k, the total value at par is ~S$90k. not worth the company taking action to buy. If they buy back from market, say 2 m a day, the price will surely soar.
but some other small parties or brokers are pusing down the price and buying?
yellowveggiez ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 11:04) Posted:
| why don' t hyflux buyback off the market? they will save alot of money. |
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They will surely redeem it. Reputation is at stake if they don' t.
Dont bet on it! Hyflux will Not be redeeming the prefs. Just doesnt make any sense. There' s no legal need to redeem and if the company issues new paper it would have to pay at least 8% interest (or more) so why waste money on redeeming and reissuing? It is also much cheaper to buy from the market than to redeem at par. The fact that it hasnt been buying from the mkt shows that the company is really short of cash. Even if cash comes in from disposals, it would only make sense to redeem if Hyflux can issue new paper at less than 8%. My opinion is the company will have to show itself more capable of making significant profits and improving cash inflows b4 the market will demand less return. Nothing will happen in April. The co will just pay its 3% semi-annual div and thats that. Hopefully within the following 6 to 12 months (maybe longer), its business will improve such that it makes sense to redeem
edchai ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 17:14) Posted:
Good profit if buy at current price when the company redeems it.
Risk vs gain. Anyone ? |
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tamesek also owned chartered semi conductor what.
Can anyone point to me where to get the info that temasek is still a share holder of hyflux. Tks.
KAMAL0883 ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 17:36) Posted:
Temasek own Hyflux share too
edchai ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 17:29) Posted:
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Temasek own Hyflux share too
edchai ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 17:29) Posted:
Temasek 😅
KAMAL0883 ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 17:28) Posted:
want to responsible to social also must first survive .
if Hyflux die first who will takeover the social responsibility |
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bet some today....
might go lower till before 28 Apr 2018 cos someone ( cannot mention cos no prove and evidence ) intentionally to press down the price
edchai ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 17:14) Posted:
Good profit if buy at current price when the company redeems it.
Risk vs gain. Anyone ? |
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Temasek 😅
KAMAL0883 ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 17:28) Posted:
want to responsible to social also must first survive .
if Hyflux die first who will takeover the social responsibility ?
tonylim ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 17:16) Posted:
| Hyflux is subjected to price control due to social responsibility |
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want to responsible to social also must first survive .
if Hyflux die first who will takeover the social responsibility ?
tonylim ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 17:16) Posted:
Hyflux is subjected to price control due to social responsibility
edchai ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 17:14) Posted:
Good profit if buy at current price when the company redeems it.
Risk vs gain. Anyone ? |
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