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Got nothing from both banks....need to sign the bond trading form with dbs so that won't miss again in futurr
MarcPh ( Date: 10-Jun-2017 12:15) Posted:
Still congrats to you, they are trading above par. If you not happy with the yield, you can get back your money without loss/profit after commission.
jm2212 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 19:22) Posted:
| just saw the SGX announcement, they reduced to 3.95% only : |
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Still congrats to you, they are trading above par. If you not happy with the yield, you can get back your money without loss/profit after commission.
jm2212 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 19:22) Posted:
just saw the SGX announcement, they reduced to 3.95% only :(
jm2212 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 19:17) Posted:
| Bro, well said. Will see how is the yield tomorrow and decide (btw, OCBC charges $100.3 but SCB charges $100.5 for the same amount |
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just saw the SGX announcement, they reduced to 3.95% only :(
jm2212 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 19:17) Posted:
Bro, well said. Will see how is the yield tomorrow and decide (btw, OCBC charges $100.3 but SCB charges $100.5 for the same amount)
MarcPh ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 16:40) Posted:
A large chunk of the orderbook will withdraw if coupon is below 4%. It will be more difficult for you to get allocation if it is 4.25% (as per indicative).
I assume you didn' t instruct any cut-off for your yield (eg. don' t apply for you if yield is below 4%), if the final yield is 4% and below, your chances of allocation will be higher, but coupon is lower.
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Bro, well said. Will see how is the yield tomorrow and decide (btw, OCBC charges $100.3 but SCB charges $100.5 for the same amount)
MarcPh ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 16:40) Posted:
A large chunk of the orderbook will withdraw if coupon is below 4%. It will be more difficult for you to get allocation if it is 4.25% (as per indicative).
I assume you didn' t instruct any cut-off for your yield (eg. don' t apply for you if yield is below 4%), if the final yield is 4% and below, your chances of allocation will be higher, but coupon is lower.
Good luck!
MarcPh ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 14:57) Posted:
| hi JM, I spoke to my counterparts. I think you will likely be allocated. It is popular but not wildy popular |
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A large chunk of the orderbook will withdraw if coupon is below 4%. It will be more difficult for you to get allocation if it is 4.25% (as per indicative).
I assume you didn' t instruct any cut-off for your yield (eg. don' t apply for you if yield is below 4%), if the final yield is 4% and below, your chances of allocation will be higher, but coupon is lower.
Good luck!
MarcPh ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 14:57) Posted:
hi JM, I spoke to my counterparts. I think you will likely be allocated. It is popular but not wildy popular.
jm2212 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 13:52) Posted:
| this one is by DBS, i didn' t sign the form with them previously & RM told me is too late to do it today, booked with another 2 banks now but they all said chances of getting is very slim as " demand is over-whelming" .... too much liquity in the market, no wonder some new property launch can see big crowd packed the whole show roo |
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https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-noble-grp-banks-breakingviews-idUSKBN18Y0H0
Quote - credit and equity investors are betting the company' s debts are probably unmanageable, and a bankruptcy filing or some similarly painful fix is likely.
john_ric ( Date: 05-Jun-2017 16:59) Posted:
noble is like a terminal stage cancer patient.
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Sorry, a lot of typos lately
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me REITs are over-stretched and their bonds in secondary market giving higher yields than ordinary shares.
MarcPh ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 15:00) Posted:
Lately i suggested a very safe < 4% bond to someone and his son voted for REITs because of the > 5% projected returns.
I think it boils down to risk appetite. Ya, capital gain or loss is a major factor in REITs, yield is actually secondary.
So REITs are over-stretched and their bonds in secondary market giving higher yields than ordinary shares.
jm2212 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 13:44) Posted:
| diversify the risk no doubt REITS give a higher dividend yield but the risk level is relatively higher as well. I already own quite a number of REITS right no |
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Switching to REITs is a different league for portfolio asset allocation.
FCL 3.65% gives a better return than SSB with short tenor. It is a safe instrument for more conservative bond investors.
I also parked my children' s savings in some ultra-low risk instruments giving 3.5%pa, which is better than 0.05% from POSB or 1% fixed deposits.
limroy88 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 11:41) Posted:
Just curious why?
I switched my FCL 3.75% bond to REITs. The best local REITs are giving about 8% dividend. And you can pay the up and downs of price movement.
jm2212 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 10:51) Posted:
| will go for the starhub perp bond at 4.25% today |
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Lately i suggested a very safe < 4% bond to someone and his son voted for REITs because of the > 5% projected returns.
I think it boils down to risk appetite. Ya, capital gain or loss is a major factor in REITs, yield is actually secondary.
So REITs are over-stretched and their bonds in secondary market giving higher yields than ordinary shares.
jm2212 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 13:44) Posted:
diversify the risk no doubt REITS give a higher dividend yield but the risk level is relatively higher as well. I already own quite a number of REITS right now
limroy88 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 11:41) Posted:
Just curious why?
I switched my FCL 3.75% bond to REITs. The best local REITs are giving about 8% dividend. And you can pay the up and downs of price movement |
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hi JM, I spoke to my counterparts. I think you will likely be allocated. It is popular but not wildy popular.
jm2212 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 13:52) Posted:
this one is by DBS, i didn' t sign the form with them previously & RM told me is too late to do it today, booked with another 2 banks now but they all said chances of getting is very slim as " demand is over-whelming" .... too much liquity in the market, no wonder some new property launch can see big crowd packed the whole show room
jm2212 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 13:44) Posted:
| diversify the risk no doubt REITS give a higher dividend yield but the risk level is relatively higher as well. I already own quite a number of REITS right no |
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this one is by DBS, i didn' t sign the form with them previously & RM told me is too late to do it today, booked with another 2 banks now but they all said chances of getting is very slim as " demand is over-whelming" .... too much liquity in the market, no wonder some new property launch can see big crowd packed the whole show room
jm2212 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 13:44) Posted:
diversify the risk no doubt REITS give a higher dividend yield but the risk level is relatively higher as well. I already own quite a number of REITS right now
limroy88 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 11:41) Posted:
Just curious why?
I switched my FCL 3.75% bond to REITs. The best local REITs are giving about 8% dividend. And you can pay the up and downs of price movement |
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diversify the risk no doubt REITS give a higher dividend yield but the risk level is relatively higher as well. I already own quite a number of REITS right now
limroy88 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 11:41) Posted:
Just curious why?
I switched my FCL 3.75% bond to REITs. The best local REITs are giving about 8% dividend. And you can pay the up and downs of price movement.
jm2212 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 10:51) Posted:
| will go for the starhub perp bond at 4.25% today |
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for reits if you buy the lousy ones like sabana and if you buy for long term investment two years ago at more than 1 dollar your capital would have eraded 70%.
for reits if you buy the lousy ones like sabana and if you buy for long term investment two years ago at more than 1 dollar your capital would have eraded 70%.
Just curious why?
I switched my FCL 3.75% bond to REITs. The best local REITs are giving about 8% dividend. And you can pay the up and downs of price movement.
jm2212 ( Date: 07-Jun-2017 10:51) Posted:
| will go for the starhub perp bond at 4.25% today |
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will go for the starhub perp bond at 4.25% today
If rumours about bankers' demand for bond consent-solitication are true (or not), in order to extend lending facility, Noble should halt trading to clarify, instead of seeing the ordinary shares falling below 30 cents like now.
Noble Group is said to ask lenders to extend credit facility
" Pricing of unsecured bonds and loans reflects the market perception that probability of default is high," said Rick Mattila, international head of market strategy at MUFG Securities Asia. http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/companies-markets/noble-group-is-said-to-ask-lenders-to-extend-credit-facility
ShowMeMoneyp ( Date: 05-Jun-2017 19:02) Posted:
| If they find a white knight at all, the $400M bond will get a hefty haircut. There is no way they are going to pay full. Smarter still will be to buy up the bond at low low price before any announcement - Is that something legal or ethical? |
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If they find a white knight at all, the $400M bond will get a hefty haircut. There is no way they are going to pay full. Smarter still will be to buy up the bond at low low price before any announcement - Is that something legal or ethical?
noble is like a terminal stage cancer patient.
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Noble hits new lows today at 32 cents as investors are now questioning why regulators allowed the Noble 2022 bond placement in March 2017, sitting on a whopping 60% loss in 3 months. A record for local SGD corporate bond.
Bankers are now concerned that new fundings could be channeled to the US$400mio bond maturity in 1Q18. They are unwilling to grant any unsecured refinancing unless bond/debt restructuring consent solicitation is obtained.
MarcPh ( Date: 03-Jun-2017 10:48) Posted:
Banks appeared to be only interested in financing the secured trade-lines (at a discount) in the US$2bio refinancing talks. Unconfirmed details of restructuring send shares and bonds to new lows.
Noble 6.0% Perp Bonds - 84% below par.
Noble 8.75% 2022 Bonds - 63% below par.
john_ric ( Date: 01-Jun-2017 17:41) Posted:
| it is better to be safe than sorry... i think |
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