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Wonder when  Charoen and OCBC/GE wrap-up their final decision???

 

Hehe, I' m kept up at night as there are just too many things to do.      And read.

There is so much to learn in the world of trading and investment.    And so many great Korean movies to watch!

kirana      ( Date: 18-Oct-2014 12:34) Posted: You appeared to be very active at night! Noctural! Life is a gamble in itself. There are buyers and sellers. But you right to say people bail out. It is a process of seperating between the weak holders and strong holders. In this case, it is also a case of seperating the believers and non-believers.

 

You appeared to be very active at night! Noctural!

Life is a gamble in itself. There are buyers and sellers. But you right to say people bail out. It is a process of seperating between the weak holders and strong holders. In this case, it is also a case of seperating the believers and non-believers.

 

Say price is $2.75, and you hope for price to go to $2.73 before you buy.  If it does go down to that level, you saved 20cent per lot or $20.   

But supposing price remained at $2.75, and the takeover materialises, price shoots to $3.75.  You would have lost $1000 per lot by not buying at $2.75.

The small price difference is not a deterrent to buying.      When you compare it with the potential gain, it is really small change.

Kyoto2008      ( Date: 17-Oct-2014 22:13) Posted: A 2 cents or 5 cents difference in one lot is $20 to $50. Whereas, your potential profit for one lot is $1000. See the cost benefit analysis? You throw away $50 to gain $1000, net gain is $950.        Kyoto2008      ( Date: 17-Oct-2014 22:06) Posted: hehe, the $2.73 only appeared for a second.  I doubt it would drop further, the decline was mainly due to the global market routing, some ppl decided to bale out of shares.    Now everythig is so green how to drop further?  Unless new crisis pop up. Whether it goes up or down, UE shareholders should be in the money.    It' s for those who want to buy in or load up.

 

A 2 cents or 5 cents difference in one lot is $20 to $50.

Whereas, your potential profit for one lot is $1000.

See the cost benefit analysis?

You throw away $50 to gain $1000, net gain is $950.     

 

Kyoto2008      ( Date: 17-Oct-2014 22:06) Posted: hehe, the $2.73 only appeared for a second.  I doubt it would drop further, the decline was mainly due to the global market routing, some ppl decided to bale out of shares.    Now everythig is so green how to drop further?  Unless new crisis pop up. Whether it goes up or down, UE shareholders should be in the money.    It' s for those who want to buy in or load up. i_love_girls      ( Date: 17-Oct-2014 21:59) Posted: Hopefully it will drop more despite what you have said

 

hehe, the $2.73 only appeared for a second. 

I doubt it would drop further, the decline was mainly due to the global market routing, some ppl decided to bale out of shares.    Now everythig is so green how to drop further? 

Unless new crisis pop up.

Whether it goes up or down, UE shareholders should be in the money.    It' s for those who want to buy in or load up.

i_love_girls      ( Date: 17-Oct-2014 21:59) Posted: Hopefully it will drop more despite what you have said

 

I should say, price should not be affected by market.    .

This is because there is a takeover discussion going on, and the takeover price will be based on the assets of UE at the first round of negoations with OCBC and GE.    The revised net asset value of UE is $3.57, market price of UE is $2.75.

After taking over the OCBC/GE stake of 36% in UE, the rest of the UE shareholders can decide what price they want to sell to Charoen.

How nice to be  a UE shareholder, right?    Can decide price and too cheap don sell lor!    UE  is a profitable company with a good collection of freehold and leasehold commercial properties.

Kyoto2008      ( Date: 17-Oct-2014 21:52) Posted: The thing with UE is that price is not affected by the market. Which is why it is a damn safe refuge to park monies in this stock and wait for price breakout when the takeover offer comes. i_love_girls      ( Date: 17-Oct-2014 21:47) Posted: Bullish market coming soon?

 

Hopefully it will drop more despite what you have said

 

The thing with UE is that price is not affected by the market.

Which is why it is a damn safe refuge to park monies in this stock and wait for price breakout when the takeover offer comes.

i_love_girls      ( Date: 17-Oct-2014 21:47) Posted: Bullish market coming soon?

 

Bullish market coming soon?

 

I took the opportunity in the low price to load up more UE shares. 

It went down as low as 2.73, really unbelievable!        I checked the vol is averagy, so it' s just normal selling along with the rest of the declining market.

 

kirana      ( Date: 17-Oct-2014 20:55) Posted: Since you are so confident you should buy as much as possible.

 

Seeing the price action on HPL  should be  a great morale booster for UE shareholders.

 

   

 

Since you are so confident you should buy as much as possible.

 

A $1 profit from holding UE shares for one or two months.    Where to get this kind of deal now?  If you accept Charoen' s price, it' s immediate profit.    But if you want a better price, wait out as price is sure to sprial upwards as other buyers come in.

Now UE price is $2.75, to go up to $3.75 is possible and likely.      The 6 weeks' due diligence would be over soon.  In fact by next week, it would be more than 6 weeks since the discussions began.

     

 

When the time comes, UE should advise shareholders what price to let go to Charoen.

But best part is here:    Sharehollders is not obligated to sell to Charoen.          If he doesn' t get the shares, he cannot touch the properties and turn it into the reit he chooses.

Guess what the price of UE will be?          This talk about Revised Net Asset Value (RNAV) is really trying to find a base price.  The eventual takeover price would be a lot higher!

Kyoto2008      ( Date: 17-Oct-2014 20:28) Posted: Once the OCBC GE life stake is sold to Charoen at whatever price, Charoen must offer to the remaining shareholders since his stake crossed 30%.

 

Once the OCBC GE life stake is sold to Charoen at whatever price, Charoen must offer to the remaining shareholders since his stake crossed 30%.

 

 

Did you buy?    I can' t resist the temptation, like too good to be true.

kirana      ( Date: 17-Oct-2014 20:23) Posted: Wah! Kyoto! You speak at length on this really old gem company! You must be the guy who buy more than 71 lots.

 

Wah! Kyoto! You speak at length on this really old gem company! You must be the guy who buy more than 71 lots.

 

Hotel Properties Chart.

See the price shooting up when buyers swarmed to grab HPL shares, although $3.50 was offered (against a closing day before of $3.13), the price of HPL was pushed all th way up $4.54).      This will also happen to UE as Charoen can only buy 36% and still has to give a price that will please the balance of 64% of the shareholders.

 

Sorry, made a mistake.      If you have owned HPL shares before the offer, you would have made ($4.54-$3.13 = $1.41) at HPL' s peak price.

Even if you missed the peak, the price  gain would have been tremendous!

Hence, I' m surprised pple are missing this gold mine, to me it seems a lot safer to be taking refuge in UE  than to buy a " recovery" stock at  the prices that move up one day and down another depending on the world events and mkt performance.

Kyoto2008      ( Date: 17-Oct-2014 16:37) Posted: HPL' s price is now $4.05 today, the offer was $3.50, at the time the offer was made, market price of HPL at14th Apr close is $3.13 (offer of $3.50 was made on 15th Apr). HPL price skyrocketed to as hgih as $4.537. If you have owned HPL stocks before the offer, you would have made $1 per share.   jwong016      ( Date: 17-Oct-2014 16:16) Posted: what about 68 holding' s offer for HPL? it wasnt based on RNAV.