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HankoreEnv (U9E) Discussion

OK peter ng chin heng, jokes entertainment aside lets be serious for once. RTO failed, hankore still have at least 80c in the long run. The short term aftermath of RTO failure will cause px volatility but should be restricted in thevrange of 50-70c at worse scenario. Tat happens only if shortists speculators want to chut hands to play. U look at yesterday vol so low. Why? Becos oni got retailers no BB action ytd. Y albedo toh post RTO failure? Becis its an empty shell company, no fundamentals assets to support, so once RTO game over, everybody sell off.

leeeta      ( Date: 22-May-2014 21:52) Posted: Peter no need to apologize, all of us have our own views and you are entitled to that...but your target price in the event that RTO never materializes is out of this world..not to say they   cant happen...but seriously do think about it more before posting. cheers. Peterngchinheng      ( Date: 22-May-2014 21:44) Posted: Leeeta, apologize my fault. For my view, HK is a not potential of company at China. I guess a lot of ppl burn the hand...... For RTO, I don't think is a successful for HK

 

My mistake to share with newbies here is that i did not weigh the risks rewards ratio properly carefully enough before placing my bets all in hankore. Too rush to want to make $ that i did not see the oversll picture. Though in the back of mind know px high liao ridky liao but still chase it to recover losses in other stocks. On hindsight then realise that the push from 11c to 14.9c was actually plotted by the big speculator syndicate. Then realise they have offloaded & dumped before the share consolidation. Realised too late. Too stoopid. Should have known that after consol speculators wouldnt want to play hankore anymore. Now its back to basic fundamental. All depend on company results liao. Will be a long painful road before it can rise back to $1.50.

 

I learnt a lesson. No 100% sure make $. But If want to 75% make $ the best way should be to choose the right bet, buy low, have faith, sell higher than what u bought, and dont buttocks itch to buy again at higher unless fundamental improves & avg px still much lower than the mkt px.

 

Big bro, how much did u buy bio treat shares last time? Lastime got hit $1 before leh.

Assuming those took put $100k bought 100 lots of biotreat at $1, now after consol holdings left 10 lots at also close to $1. But mkt value 10k nia. Anyone?

wxp8838      ( Date: 22-May-2014 23:08) Posted: If I OUT from HK, which share you 100% sure make money?maybe worse. I have held HK so long time since it was BIOTREAT. I can hold more 10days. Anyway, thank you. divads      ( Date: 22-May-2014 22:54) Posted: sorry but since u quote me, I feel the urge to answer Dun be stubborn la.. wat u need is NOT FAITH.. is strategy. Saying something good about hankore just to make urself feel good while the price is dropping and no sign of going up shows  something definitely not quite right. If the RTO is going smoothly, insider would have come and  pick up the cheap durians during  these few days  and the price would have rocket back above $1  considering the stop date for the RTO deal is just 1 week away. Cut and switch counter may be a possible move. And to those who says if RTO aborted, 40 cents is not possible.. Look at Aldebo share price and the RTO is not even declared aborted. Or Addvalue tech. Addvalue tech from around 7 cents chiong to 18 cents.. Now  9.9 cents when there is not even any rumours or bad news about the deal. U think Hankore share price can stand at 80 cents if RTO is called off? Why die die must stick to one tree when there is a forest? If I am u, I would do this: Switch counter from Hankore to Figtree, For hankore to go from 93 cents to $1.30  compared to Figtree from 24 cents to 44 cents, ask urself, which one easier? which one gives u more profit? which one safer? Figtree currently trading at almost historical low. Why die die must stuck with hankore ?? It will be very painful is RTO is aborted. Figtree on the other hand has little room to fall since it is already at it' s lowest. Just my view. U shd see whether i am correct or not with my advice to switch from hankore to figtree in about 1-2 mths time

 

Aiya he invest in so many companies, 50mil really nothing for him. 293+57=350m. No lar he not really showing confidence if not would have bought more. Only 2 possibilities. David chen begged him to add more to calm the mkt. Or he wanna make it a nice rounded figure for consolidation. So now he has 35million shares at an avg px of abt $0.58. He know he bought low. Now buy a bit more at higher px not much effect unless drop to 40c like somebody said here la.

mgrow2013      ( Date: 22-May-2014 21:44) Posted: Does that mean Mr Wang holds, in terms of pre-RSS era, 57m (avg 9.6¢ in early May) + 293M (bought at 5¢ on last Jul 18Jul) shares? His W (水 ) indeed alot. Cheers n3wbie      ( Date: 22-May-2014 20:29) Posted: if you follow the sequence of events, before the announcement of RTO, share price already steadily rose till S$0.70 - S$0.80 upon announcement of good financial results and I believe to a certain extent, Alan Wang' s substantial shareholding in the company. investors, speculators inclusive, subsequently bought the shares up to a record high of S$1.49. uncertainty, panic, fear together with a lacklustre set of financial results sent the share price pretty much down to where it was. however, if you scrutinize the recent set of results, it was in fact a one-off accounting loss due to a previous acquisition which was marked to market value.  I believe Alan Wang' s second share purchase on the open market recently at an average price of S$0.96 in May 2014 speaks volume about his confidence in the management and company but as most investors would be familiar with Alan Wang' s trading strategy, he is more of a fundamentalist. on the macro aspect, the Chinese government yesterday announced plans to speed up construction of water infrastructure projects (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/22/china-water-idUSL3N0O81SU20140522) and most if not all companies in the industry (listed in HK) rallied. (China Everbright International, 257.HK Beijing Water Enterprise, 371.HK CT Environmental Group, 1363.HK) --- conclusion: long-term positive about HanKore fundamentalists should look beyond the near-term uncertainty surrounding China Everbright deal just my two cents worth.

 

Handsome Sick meh? Low blood pressure si boh? Tats y need medicine to shoot up blood pressure?!

cccx123      ( Date: 22-May-2014 21:41) Posted: Old liao ah...lol today px not much movement. Wonder what the rest of the week will do... leeeta      ( Date: 22-May-2014 21:14) Posted: guys like  Peterngchinheng, Divads ..sometimes contributes to my daily dose of medicine.

 

Newbie bro, can share with me yur estimated px target in lets say 3mths, 6mths, 1 year & 2 years time boh? I know long term fundamentals prospects are good. But the question is how long must my cash be stuck? I know alan wang wouldnt bother becos those are just his spare cash which just a mini % of his wealth he could well afford to tikam. Thanks.

n3wbie      ( Date: 22-May-2014 20:29) Posted: if you follow the sequence of events, before the announcement of RTO, share price already steadily rose till S$0.70 - S$0.80 upon announcement of good financial results and I believe to a certain extent, Alan Wang' s substantial shareholding in the company. investors, speculators inclusive, subsequently bought the shares up to a record high of S$1.49. uncertainty, panic, fear together with a lacklustre set of financial results sent the share price pretty much down to where it was. however, if you scrutinize the recent set of results, it was in fact a one-off accounting loss due to a previous acquisition which was marked to market value.  I believe Alan Wang' s second share purchase on the open market recently at an average price of S$0.96 in May 2014 speaks volume about his confidence in the management and company but as most investors would be familiar with Alan Wang' s trading strategy, he is more of a fundamentalist. on the macro aspect, the Chinese government yesterday announced plans to speed up construction of water infrastructure projects (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/22/china-water-idUSL3N0O81SU20140522) and most if not all companies in the industry (listed in HK) rallied. (China Everbright International, 257.HK Beijing Water Enterprise, 371.HK CT Environmental Group, 1363.HK) --- conclusion: long-term positive about HanKore fundamentalists should look beyond the near-term uncertainty surrounding China Everbright deal just my two cents worth.   divads      ( Date: 22-May-2014 16:11) Posted: sorry.. RTO called off, may drop back to 40 cents.

 

Oh btw, in the long run we are all dead because? Business is driven by the animal spirits The bull and the bear, and there?s reason to fear its Effects on capital investment, income and growth Public works, digging ditches, war has the same effect Even a broken window helps the glass man have some wealth Indeed the world is ruled by little else. Practical men, who believe themselves to be quite exempt from any intellectual influence, are usually the slaves of some defunct economist.

 

I agree with you, private banks are, do you think they play like us using emotional behavior? They can write blank cheque, I can only write/copy paste poems

Demostation      ( Date: 22-May-2014 14:52) Posted: Actually in Sg stock market, we as players are up against rich syndicates with tons of cash. Never mind their cash, because if they are not careful they will lose out.   But the most dreaded is their ability to use machines (algorthym) together with their cash against us small players.   They put up buy and sell queues just waiting and waiting like the crocodiles half submerged in waters with their open mouths ready to snap.   We walk in either way buy or sell. They snap and we are trap either way.   If buy we see the machine tut tut tut, the price slowly inches down.   If no seller at the lower, it will continue to slide until we give up to sell.   Lol, do any of you felt like this? Spivvy      ( Date: 22-May-2014 14:38) Posted: Must hold how long? Like noble if still holding till now alreday 2 years & still not getting any better. I think 2 years too long a wait liao, the $ could be cut & better made use of  elsewhere. No?

 

mai gek sim ...ur advise will only safe ppl. 

Bullshit news arent as important compare to its share consolidation motive ." BB" can have thousand ways to average out their position

whereas retailer none. So be careful where u placed ur bet.

 

divads      ( Date: 22-May-2014 23:25) Posted: i dun understand why so hostile when i just pointed out the risks involved in hankore. Some of u say bullshit.. some of u say i insist on the final say.. but i did not say i am right , right? just saying my views. Strange ,... u all seem to want to hear only good things.. ok .. so just ignore me.. dun have to quote me then. i dun have the urge to reply. ---------------- the end ------------------------------ divads      ( Date: 22-May-2014 23:22) Posted: someone say " bullshit" .. not me.. i was just offering my views and then someone said " bullshit" . I never say i have the final say..did i? i just advising... and dun have to scold " bullshit" right?

 

i dun understand why so hostile when i just pointed out the risks involved in hankore. Some of u say bullshit.. some of u say i insist on the final say.. but i did not say i am right , right? just saying my views.

Strange ,... u all seem to want to hear only good things..

ok .. so just ignore me.. dun have to quote me then. i dun have the urge to reply.

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divads      ( Date: 22-May-2014 23:22) Posted: someone say " bullshit" .. not me.. i was just offering my views and then someone said " bullshit" . I never say i have the final say..did i? i just advising... and dun have to scold " bullshit" right? Share7      ( Date: 22-May-2014 23:19) Posted: Divad, you don' t have to always have the final say. If someone wants to keep faith in HK, while you play strategy with your Figtree, let it be and let others do what they want. If someone says you must compare within industries, while you kept insisting on Albedo and Addvalue Tech, let it be and let others do what they want. If you say substantial shareholder must come in to push HK to above $1 and Alan Wang did come in to scoop 51M of HK at 9.6c but didn' t push HK to above 10c, let it be and let Alan do what he wants. If someone said HK without RTO will be 80c while you said it is 40c, let it be and let others believe what they want to believe. Let it be and let others decide what they want to believe, do and compare. You can also go and invest in your Figtree and hope it buds with beautiful flowers to 44c. When we each learn to let others believe and do what they want...there will be peace on earth. In the same manner I will let you be if you insist of having the final say, and let you say and do what you want.

 

someone say " bullshit" .. not me.. i was just offering my views and then someone said " bullshit" .

I never say i have the final say..did i? i just advising... and dun have to scold " bullshit" right?

Share7      ( Date: 22-May-2014 23:19) Posted: Divad, you don' t have to always have the final say. If someone wants to keep faith in HK, while you play strategy with your Figtree, let it be and let others do what they want. If someone says you must compare within industries, while you kept insisting on Albedo and Addvalue Tech, let it be and let others do what they want. If you say substantial shareholder must come in to push HK to above $1 and Alan Wang did come in to scoop 51M of HK at 9.6c but didn' t push HK to above 10c, let it be and let Alan do what he wants. If someone said HK without RTO will be 80c while you said it is 40c, let it be and let others believe what they want to believe. Let it be and let others decide what they want to believe, do and compare. You can also go and invest in your Figtree and hope it buds with beautiful flowers to 44c. When we each learn to let others believe and do what they want...there will be peace on earth. In the same manner I will let you be if you insist of having the final say, and let you say and do what you want.     divads      ( Date: 22-May-2014 22:54) Posted: sorry but since u quote me, I feel the urge to answer Dun be stubborn la.. wat u need is NOT FAITH.. is strategy. Saying something good about hankore just to make urself feel good while the price is dropping and no sign of going up shows  something definitely not quite right. If the RTO is going smoothly, insider would have come and  pick up the cheap durians during  these few days  and the price would have rocket back above $1  considering the stop date for the RTO deal is just 1 week away. Cut and switch counter may be a possible move. And to those who says if RTO aborted, 40 cents is not possible.. Look at Aldebo share price and the RTO is not even declared aborted. Or Addvalue tech. Addvalue tech from around 7 cents chiong to 18 cents.. Now  9.9 cents when there is not even any rumours or bad news about the deal. U think Hankore share price can stand at 80 cents if RTO is called off? Why die die must stick to one tree when there is a forest? If I am u, I would do this: Switch counter from Hankore to Figtree, For hankore to go from 93 cents to $1.30  compared to Figtree from 24 cents to 44 cents, ask urself, which one easier? which one gives u more profit? which one safer? Figtree currently trading at almost historical low. Why die die must stuck with hankore ?? It will be very painful is RTO is aborted. Figtree on the other hand has little room to fall since it is already at it' s lowest. Just my view. U shd see whether i am correct or not with my advice to switch from hankore to figtree in about 1-2 mths time

 

Divad, you don' t have to always have the final say. If someone wants to keep faith in HK, while you play strategy with your Figtree, let it be and let others do what they want. If someone says you must compare within industries, while you kept insisting on Albedo and Addvalue Tech, let it be and let others do what they want. If you say substantial shareholder must come in to push HK to above $1 and Alan Wang did come in to scoop 51M of HK at 9.6c but didn' t push HK to above 10c, let it be and let Alan do what he wants. If someone said HK without RTO will be 80c while you said it is 40c, let it be and let others believe what they want to believe. Let it be and let others decide what they want to believe, do and compare. You can also go and invest in your Figtree and hope it buds with beautiful flowers to 44c. When we each learn to let others believe and do what they want...there will be peace on earth. In the same manner I will let you be if you insist of having the final say, and let you say and do what you want.    

divads      ( Date: 22-May-2014 22:54) Posted: sorry but since u quote me, I feel the urge to answer Dun be stubborn la.. wat u need is NOT FAITH.. is strategy. Saying something good about hankore just to make urself feel good while the price is dropping and no sign of going up shows  something definitely not quite right. If the RTO is going smoothly, insider would have come and  pick up the cheap durians during  these few days  and the price would have rocket back above $1  considering the stop date for the RTO deal is just 1 week away. Cut and switch counter may be a possible move. And to those who says if RTO aborted, 40 cents is not possible.. Look at Aldebo share price and the RTO is not even declared aborted. Or Addvalue tech. Addvalue tech from around 7 cents chiong to 18 cents.. Now  9.9 cents when there is not even any rumours or bad news about the deal. U think Hankore share price can stand at 80 cents if RTO is called off? Why die die must stick to one tree when there is a forest? If I am u, I would do this: Switch counter from Hankore to Figtree, For hankore to go from 93 cents to $1.30  compared to Figtree from 24 cents to 44 cents, ask urself, which one easier? which one gives u more profit? which one safer? Figtree currently trading at almost historical low. Why die die must stuck with hankore ?? It will be very painful is RTO is aborted. Figtree on the other hand has little room to fall since it is already at it' s lowest. Just my view. U shd see whether i am correct or not with my advice to switch from hankore to figtree in about 1-2 mths time         wxp8838      ( Date: 22-May-2014 22:38) Posted: Easy!If RTO fail, HK will drop, sure thing, I think drops to around 80cents, but you say 40cents, I dont think so. whatever we talk, hankwhore will go its way, recently, it's hard time for us, so say something good would be better.what l need now, is Faith.

 

If I OUT from HK, which share you 100% sure make money?maybe worse. I have held HK so long time since it was BIOTREAT. I can hold more 10days. Anyway, thank you.

divads      ( Date: 22-May-2014 22:54) Posted: sorry but since u quote me, I feel the urge to answer Dun be stubborn la.. wat u need is NOT FAITH.. is strategy. Saying something good about hankore just to make urself feel good while the price is dropping and no sign of going up shows  something definitely not quite right. If the RTO is going smoothly, insider would have come and  pick up the cheap durians during  these few days  and the price would have rocket back above $1  considering the stop date for the RTO deal is just 1 week away. Cut and switch counter may be a possible move. And to those who says if RTO aborted, 40 cents is not possible.. Look at Aldebo share price and the RTO is not even declared aborted. Or Addvalue tech. Addvalue tech from around 7 cents chiong to 18 cents.. Now  9.9 cents when there is not even any rumours or bad news about the deal. U think Hankore share price can stand at 80 cents if RTO is called off? Why die die must stick to one tree when there is a forest? If I am u, I would do this: Switch counter from Hankore to Figtree, For hankore to go from 93 cents to $1.30  compared to Figtree from 24 cents to 44 cents, ask urself, which one easier? which one gives u more profit? which one safer? Figtree currently trading at almost historical low. Why die die must stuck with hankore ?? It will be very painful is RTO is aborted. Figtree on the other hand has little room to fall since it is already at it' s lowest. Just my view. U shd see whether i am correct or not with my advice to switch from hankore to figtree in about 1-2 mths time         wxp8838      ( Date: 22-May-2014 22:38) Posted: Easy!If RTO fail, HK will drop, sure thing, I think drops to around 80cents, but you say 40cents, I dont think so. whatever we talk, hankwhore will go its way, recently, it's hard time for us, so say something good would be better.what l need now, is Faith.

 

sorry but since u quote me, I feel the urge to answer

Dun be stubborn la.. wat u need is NOT FAITH.. is strategy. Saying something good about hankore just to make urself feel good while the price is dropping and no sign of going up shows  something definitely not quite right.

If the RTO is going smoothly, insider would have come and  pick up the cheap durians during  these few days  and the price would have rocket back above $1  considering the stop date for the RTO deal is just 1 week away.

Cut and switch counter may be a possible move.

And to those who says if RTO aborted, 40 cents is not possible..

Look at Aldebo share price and the RTO is not even declared aborted.

Or Addvalue tech. Addvalue tech from around 7 cents chiong to 18 cents.. Now  9.9 cents when there is not even any rumours or bad news about the deal.

U think Hankore share price can stand at 80 cents if RTO is called off? Why die die must stick to one tree when there is a forest?

If I am u, I would do this:

Switch counter from Hankore to Figtree,

For hankore to go from 93 cents to $1.30  compared to Figtree from 24 cents to 44 cents, ask urself, which one easier? which one gives u more profit? which one safer? Figtree currently trading at almost historical low.

Why die die must stuck with hankore ?? It will be very painful is RTO is aborted. Figtree on the other hand has little room to fall since it is already at it' s lowest.

Just my view. U shd see whether i am correct or not with my advice to switch from hankore to figtree in about 1-2 mths time

 

 

 

 

wxp8838      ( Date: 22-May-2014 22:38) Posted: Easy!If RTO fail, HK will drop, sure thing, I think drops to around 80cents, but you say 40cents, I dont think so. whatever we talk, hankwhore will go its way, recently, it's hard time for us, so say something good would be better.what l need now, is Faith. divads      ( Date: 22-May-2014 21:53) Posted: hmm.. if u look at Albedo u know what i mean.. of course if RTO is successful, then it will easily cross $1.50.. Why do u have to resort to insult? bul_sh_it? So are u trying to say I have to say nice word about hankore..eg: " Hankore sure chiong like mad to $2 .. BUY!!!" ? U are going to sabo alot of ppl if u only want others to say nice things about hankore. I basing my observation on Albedo price movement and Albedo price has plummeted to almost where it started becos the RTO hit problem. I just saying that Hankore started rising from 4 cents (which I think alot of u still remember 4 cents last year). If RTO hits any problem, it MAY react like Albedo and plummet to 40 cents (after consolidation). if u want ppl to say only good things about Hankore, ok then.. then i wun voice my concern in this thread. I disappear from this thread. But my last word: Please cut if u hear any thing about RTO hitting any problem, dun end up like Albedo.

 

Lol why argue?! We will see by the end of the month. And the bugger who compared albedo and Hankore is contrasting apple against dung. Aiya... Albedo is a loss making company with a non viable business model. They're in an industry (steel making) which is facing oversupply issues. They need RTO to survive as a going concern and to alter their business model/ switch over to a more lucrative industry. Hankore and CEI are in the same industry. So let me ask you, CEI and Hankore have more in common or albedo and Iskandar are more compatible?! Think before you speak please...

expertinvestor      ( Date: 22-May-2014 22:30) Posted: To me, those that pple say CFM go through, CFM won't go thru... W Corp high chance won't go through also hellogoodbye      ( Date: 22-May-2014 22:22) Posted: LOL bro they sibei optimistic one! haha. say negative things will kena zoomed in on one. LOL. all believe rto FOR SURE will go thru LOL.

 

Easy!If RTO fail, HK will drop, sure thing, I think drops to around 80cents, but you say 40cents, I dont think so. whatever we talk, hankwhore will go its way, recently, it's hard time for us, so say something good would be better.what l need now, is Faith.

divads      ( Date: 22-May-2014 21:53) Posted: hmm.. if u look at Albedo u know what i mean.. of course if RTO is successful, then it will easily cross $1.50.. Why do u have to resort to insult? bul_sh_it? So are u trying to say I have to say nice word about hankore..eg: " Hankore sure chiong like mad to $2 .. BUY!!!" ? U are going to sabo alot of ppl if u only want others to say nice things about hankore. I basing my observation on Albedo price movement and Albedo price has plummeted to almost where it started becos the RTO hit problem. I just saying that Hankore started rising from 4 cents (which I think alot of u still remember 4 cents last year). If RTO hits any problem, it MAY react like Albedo and plummet to 40 cents (after consolidation). if u want ppl to say only good things about Hankore, ok then.. then i wun voice my concern in this thread. I disappear from this thread. But my last word: Please cut if u hear any thing about RTO hitting any problem, dun end up like Albedo.     wxp8838      ( Date: 22-May-2014 20:55) Posted: this makes sense. good job. That drops to 40C post, is totally bullshit

 

To me, those that pple say CFM go through, CFM won't go thru... W Corp high chance won't go through also

hellogoodbye      ( Date: 22-May-2014 22:22) Posted: LOL bro they sibei optimistic one! haha. say negative things will kena zoomed in on one. LOL. all believe rto FOR SURE will go thru LOL.  divads      ( Date: 22-May-2014 22:02) Posted: Albedo Iskandar play is > Hankore water play right? and see what happens.. opps.. ok la.. sorry.. i shd not comment anymore.. so i think we can only comment positive things in this forum ? ok then... shd not come into this thread as unwelcomed guest.

 

LOL bro they sibei optimistic one! haha. say negative things will kena zoomed in on one. LOL. all believe rto FOR SURE will go thru LOL. 

divads      ( Date: 22-May-2014 22:02) Posted: Albedo Iskandar play is > Hankore water play right? and see what happens.. opps.. ok la.. sorry.. i shd not comment anymore.. so i think we can only comment positive things in this forum ? ok then... shd not come into this thread as unwelcomed guest.   leeeta      ( Date: 22-May-2014 21:56) Posted: Brother, Albedo and Hankore are two different companies...check where their PX are before the announcment of the deal. Check also growth projections, income etc.. Dont think wxp8838 meant anything bad.

 

Albedo Iskandar play is > Hankore water play right? and see what happens.. opps.. ok la.. sorry.. i shd not comment anymore..

so i think we can only comment positive things in this forum ? ok then... shd not come into this thread as unwelcomed guest.

 

leeeta      ( Date: 22-May-2014 21:56) Posted: Brother, Albedo and Hankore are two different companies...check where their PX are before the announcment of the deal. Check also growth projections, income etc.. Dont think wxp8838 meant anything bad. divads      ( Date: 22-May-2014 21:53) Posted: hmm.. if u look at Albedo u know what i mean.. of course if RTO is successful, then it will easily cross $1.50.. Why do u have to resort to insult? bul_sh_it? So are u trying to say I have to say nice word about hankore..eg: " Hankore sure chiong like mad to $2 .. BUY!!!" ? U are going to sabo alot of ppl if u only want others to say nice things about hankore. I basing my observation on Albedo price movement and Albedo price has plummeted to almost where it started becos the RTO hit problem. I just saying that Hankore started rising from 4 cents (which I think alot of u still remember 4 cents last year). If RTO hits any problem, it MAY react like Albedo and plummet to 40 cents (after consolidation). if u want ppl to say only good things about Hankore, ok then.. then i wun voice my concern in this thread. I disappear from this thread. But my last word: Please cut if u hear any thing about RTO hitting any problem, dun end up like Albedo.