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goldeneye
    14-Jul-2017 19:10  
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PA today:- looks high probability (praying hard) a or some deep pocket kind hearted Value Investors already inside then " buay' sooong' " about that kns' deal!
                    Hopefully some smart guys coming in to fight for such Iconic 100years old Brand Name(NTA valuation/with latest land tendering results mostly bursting at the seams) - to upLift us the small retail investors  
                    in such helpless situation ! Wth merciless negotiation/transaction with No thoughts on thee faithful retail investor' s hard earned money!
' m sure very sure there are many/plenty of Smart Deep pocket investors around. I ' m still keeping my fingers crossed. There' s still light at thee end in this tunnel ! thee name UE. speaks for herself.
majullah UE.
 
 
__Kei__
    14-Jul-2017 18:22  
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If it means anything, my day limit sell queue at $2.67 for 69k-ish shares was done at 16:55:30
Out of curiousity I asked my broker re. the counter-party. She said the CP code is 211, Kim Eng.

Honestly I was not expecting the trade to be done as there were over 1mill shares sell que at $2.67 (my que was placed in the morning), seems like a last 10mins buy sweep
 
 
lglg666
    14-Jul-2017 17:00  
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Hope to hear good news over the weekend 🙏

not_98percent      ( Date: 14-Jul-2017 16:21) Posted:

It will be interesting to know the identity of the buyer(s) who purchased today (and henceforth) leading to the whether any new substantial shareholder(s) emerging ....... by sometime next week. Either that or the counter-offeror chose to make announcement ahead of that. 

By any account, at the price it is trading today viz-a-viz the offered-price,   the answer is obvious as to whether it is fair or reasonable.

Let' s sit tight for those holding-on. Never know ...... it could simply be smart-money letting other people do leg-work as it could be divine-driven ......

UE is a century-old and could well end-up in/as OUE

 

leescums      ( Date: 14-Jul-2017 15:54) Posted:

Also, I believe OCBC and UE are conflicted in the transaction, hence they are not acting in our retail investor interest. Do also not that they do NOT need to act in our interest unlike GIC. 

they are conflicted because they hold 33.5% stake in UE, they hold 31.5% stake in WBL. they will sell UE on a CHEAP because they get 2.60 for their 33.5% stake in UE, 2.07 for their 31.5% stake in WBL. they give discount  for UE because WBL they benefit. so in essence they get 4.67 SGD whilst retail investors get 2.60. at the board meeting, we must QUESTION them about this conflict of interest. 

Also, for people asking people to sell or selling, its your choice. I bought at 2.81, 2.78, 2.75 respectively. Holding around 90 lots. My take is we need to prevent Yanlord from crossing 50% for UE. but for WBL we should vote to sell WBL. We take the 2.07 offer as UE shareholders who own 67.5%. This 2.07 adds to UE. we stay as UE investors with Yanlord/Perennial replacing OCBC/GE (who are s.c.u.m.s, see my nickmame). This is the WORST case scenario. 

There' s still potential bidding war (very unlikely) but don' t forget F& N saga.

WAIT FOR BOARD MEETING. also there' s a reason why the share price is 2.65-2.67. it cannot be retail investors buying at this price with the volume. 

Possible short term increase reasons: (a)analyst report or SIAS say takeover price UNFAIR, (b) Independent directors of UE advise the offer is UNFAIR.

Also please stop comparing GLP la, three differences: (a) one is their internal saga so the internal buyer must pay high price to shut the mouths of others, (b) Chinese buyer vs Singapore buyer: chinese always very sincere with CWT and GLP prime examples, (c) GLP is a privatisation offer whilst ours is OCBC/GE just divesting their stakes, they heckcare  small investors. 


 


 

 
leescums
    14-Jul-2017 16:56  
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the fight is on. 1.9 mill buy queue at 2.67, breaking 2.68 soon. 
 
 
investshare
    14-Jul-2017 16:56  
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Amazing..
 
 
investshare
    14-Jul-2017 16:25  
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Why? They want to takeover, the value of the company captured in their book does not depend on share price.

lausk22      ( Date: 14-Jul-2017 16:24) Posted:

If share price drops below 2.60,  perennial and yanlord will suffer immediate loss in the takeover exercise.

investshare      ( Date: 14-Jul-2017 16:11) Posted:

If what the article said is true, then current share price is not sustainable. It is purposely prop up so that minority shareholders will reject the 2.60 offer which they have to make. After fulfilling their obligations to make offer and rejected, the share price will have no support.


 

 
lausk22
    14-Jul-2017 16:24  
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If share price drops below 2.60,  perennial and yanlord will suffer immediate loss in the takeover exercise.

investshare      ( Date: 14-Jul-2017 16:11) Posted:

If what the article said is true, then current share price is not sustainable. It is purposely prop up so that minority shareholders will reject the 2.60 offer which they have to make. After fulfilling their obligations to make offer and rejected, the share price will have no support.

 
 
not_98percent
    14-Jul-2017 16:21  
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It will be interesting to know the identity of the buyer(s) who purchased today (and henceforth) leading to the whether any new substantial shareholder(s) emerging ....... by sometime next week. Either that or the counter-offeror chose to make announcement ahead of that. 

By any account, at the price it is trading today viz-a-viz the offered-price,   the answer is obvious as to whether it is fair or reasonable.

Let' s sit tight for those holding-on. Never know ...... it could simply be smart-money letting other people do leg-work as it could be divine-driven ......

UE is a century-old and could well end-up in/as OUE

 

leescums      ( Date: 14-Jul-2017 15:54) Posted:

Also, I believe OCBC and UE are conflicted in the transaction, hence they are not acting in our retail investor interest. Do also not that they do NOT need to act in our interest unlike GIC. 

they are conflicted because they hold 33.5% stake in UE, they hold 31.5% stake in WBL. they will sell UE on a CHEAP because they get 2.60 for their 33.5% stake in UE, 2.07 for their 31.5% stake in WBL. they give discount  for UE because WBL they benefit. so in essence they get 4.67 SGD whilst retail investors get 2.60. at the board meeting, we must QUESTION them about this conflict of interest. 

Also, for people asking people to sell or selling, its your choice. I bought at 2.81, 2.78, 2.75 respectively. Holding around 90 lots. My take is we need to prevent Yanlord from crossing 50% for UE. but for WBL we should vote to sell WBL. We take the 2.07 offer as UE shareholders who own 67.5%. This 2.07 adds to UE. we stay as UE investors with Yanlord/Perennial replacing OCBC/GE (who are s.c.u.m.s, see my nickmame). This is the WORST case scenario. 

There' s still potential bidding war (very unlikely) but don' t forget F& N saga.

WAIT FOR BOARD MEETING. also there' s a reason why the share price is 2.65-2.67. it cannot be retail investors buying at this price with the volume. 

Possible short term increase reasons: (a)analyst report or SIAS say takeover price UNFAIR, (b) Independent directors of UE advise the offer is UNFAIR.

Also please stop comparing GLP la, three differences: (a) one is their internal saga so the internal buyer must pay high price to shut the mouths of others, (b) Chinese buyer vs Singapore buyer: chinese always very sincere with CWT and GLP prime examples, (c) GLP is a privatisation offer whilst ours is OCBC/GE just divesting their stakes, they heckcare  small investors. 


 

 
 
investshare
    14-Jul-2017 16:11  
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If what the article said is true, then current share price is not sustainable. It is purposely prop up so that minority shareholders will reject the 2.60 offer which they have to make. After fulfilling their obligations to make offer and rejected, the share price will have no support.
 
 
leescums
    14-Jul-2017 15:54  
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Also, I believe OCBC and UE are conflicted in the transaction, hence they are not acting in our retail investor interest. Do also not that they do NOT need to act in our interest unlike GIC. 

they are conflicted because they hold 33.5% stake in UE, they hold 31.5% stake in WBL. they will sell UE on a CHEAP because they get 2.60 for their 33.5% stake in UE, 2.07 for their 31.5% stake in WBL. they give discount  for UE because WBL they benefit. so in essence they get 4.67 SGD whilst retail investors get 2.60. at the board meeting, we must QUESTION them about this conflict of interest. 

Also, for people asking people to sell or selling, its your choice. I bought at 2.81, 2.78, 2.75 respectively. Holding around 90 lots. My take is we need to prevent Yanlord from crossing 50% for UE. but for WBL we should vote to sell WBL. We take the 2.07 offer as UE shareholders who own 67.5%. This 2.07 adds to UE. we stay as UE investors with Yanlord/Perennial replacing OCBC/GE (who are s.c.u.m.s, see my nickmame). This is the WORST case scenario. 

There' s still potential bidding war (very unlikely) but don' t forget F& N saga.

WAIT FOR BOARD MEETING. also there' s a reason why the share price is 2.65-2.67. it cannot be retail investors buying at this price with the volume. 

Possible short term increase reasons: (a)analyst report or SIAS say takeover price UNFAIR, (b) Independent directors of UE advise the offer is UNFAIR.

Also please stop comparing GLP la, three differences: (a) one is their internal saga so the internal buyer must pay high price to shut the mouths of others, (b) Chinese buyer vs Singapore buyer: chinese always very sincere with CWT and GLP prime examples, (c) GLP is a privatisation offer whilst ours is OCBC/GE just divesting their stakes, they heckcare  small investors. 


 
 

 
leescums
    14-Jul-2017 15:41  
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Before anyone sell now at 2.60-2.67 based on today' s market prices, I believe this writer on Cai Jin made a very good analysis on 19 June 2017.

http://www.straitstimes.com/business/companies-markets/uewbl-takeover-not-a-straightforward-exercise

Read:

How the times have changed.

Four years ago, engineering and property development firm United Engineers (UE) was riding high after launching an audacious but ultimately successful bid for WBL, emboldened by the support it had received from its biggest shareholders.

Its acquisition was a company then larger than it was by market value, which it then delisted from the Singapore Exchange.
 


However, in an unusual twist of fortune, those same shareholders have now put their stake in UE on the block and picked a consortium led by a far younger property firm, Perennial, for final talks to buy it.


Not that there is anything wrong with that move. If UE' s biggest shareholders - OCBC Bank, its insurance unit Great Eastern and the bank' s founding Lee family - feel that they are better off selling their respective UE stakes and putting the money to better use elsewhere, they should do so.

Since the news broke in January of a possible sale, the price of UE had surged by about 8 per cent. Last Friday, it ended one cent higher at $2.78, with 1.58 million shares traded. Yet, any attempt by the shareholders to sell their UE stakes may not be a straightforward exercise, as they also want to offload their WBL stake. That may, in turn, have an impact on the options which a UE shareholder has in the event a takeover on UE materialises.
 
 




Before delving further, it is useful to recount what transpired during UE' s takeover of WBL four years ago.

Prior to that takeover, WBL had also shared the same group of major shareholders as UE - that is, OCBC, GE and the Lee family.

But that all changed when Straits Trading - also previously affiliated to OCBC - made a takeover bid for the rest of WBL when it mopped up stakes in the then listed property-cum-motor group belonging to fund managers.

UE then entered the takeover tussle for WBL with the support of its major shareholders.

It emerged as victor with about 67.5 per cent of WBL shares after Straits Trading threw in the towel, while most of the rest of WBL shares continued to be held by OCBC, GE and the Lees.

Since it took over WBL, UE has been remaking itself into a property play, selling off non-core assets, such as Singapore luxury car distributor Wearnes and Nasdaq-listed unit MFlex, which had come with the WBL purchase.

It property portfolio, worth about $1.8 billion, includes UE BizHub City, UE BizHub West, one-north mixed developments, as well as property development projects in China.

The story then took another twist in January this year when OCBC and GE said that they were reviewing their stakes in UE and WBL - a euphemism to flag that they wanted to sell out.

Under Singapore' s takeover rules, any party which acquires more than 30 per cent of a company must make an offer to buy up the rest of its shares. This rule applies to both listed and unlisted firms.

In this case, the stakes which OCBC, GE and the Lees own in UE and WBL are well above the 30 per cent takeover threshold. As such, if they sell their UE and WBL stakes to a single buyer, that buyer would have to make simultaneous offers to buy up the rest of UE and WBL shares. At current market prices, UE is worth about $1.72 billion, while WBL was valued at as much as $1.25 billion when UE took it private four years ago. Therefore, a buyer will have to prepare as much as $3 billion to mount both takeovers simultaneously.

That would be a big strain on his financial resources, no matter how attractive UE' s assets may be.

This may explain why Perennial is said to be seeking clarification from Singapore regulators on the procedures for a simultaneous purchase of the three parties' holdings in UE and WBL.

According to market sources, in order to lessen the financial burden, one possible pathway for the buyer is to first purchase the stakes in UE belonging to OCBC, GE and the Lees.

In doing so, he would trigger a takeover order on UE.

As for buying up the three parties' stake in WBL, that will be taken care of if the UE takeover turns mandatory after crossing the 50 per cent level, which gives the buyer undisputed control over UE.

Owing to a rule on chain listing, this change of ownership in UE will require the buyer to make an offer for WBL.

But, here, the situation gets a little tricky: With this takeover offer on WBL, OCBC, GE and the Lees will be able to offload their WBL stakes to the buyer. But in order to reduce his cash outlay, the buyer may want UE to undertake that it will not accept the takeover offer to sell its 67.5 per cent stake in WBL.

This raises governance concerns.

For the UE' s board of directors to give such an undertaking on behalf of the company, it must satisfy itself that the shareholders are better off if UE does not cash out of WBL.

But some UE shareholders may be reluctant to accept the offer made by the buyer for their UE shares. They may also prefer to hold on to the UE shares in the hope of collecting any special dividend payout, which the company would be in the position to make if it sells out of its WBL stake.

There is also the awkward question as to why UE should lock itself up with an undertaking not to sell its WBL stake, when other WBL shareholders can keep their options open as to what to do with their shares.

Then there is the regulatory aspect to consider. The Securities Industry Council, which administers the takeover code, may want the UE board to give a written confirmation that the company has not received any form of " inducements" for undertaking that it would not be selling its 67.5 per cent stake in WBL to the buyer.

Suffice to say, the various issues that may arise are likely to put the UE board between a rock and a hard place.

But my take is that if push ever comes to shove and the scenario which I describe does indeed pan out, the best recourse for UE is to hold an extraordinary general meeting in order to allow its shareholders to decide what they want to do with the WBL stake.

After all, as shareholders, they deserve to be given an opportunity to exercise their rights with regard to any takeover offer on WBL.

That can only be good corporate governance.
 
 
john_ric
    14-Jul-2017 15:13  
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accept the fact and move forward to counters.

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kyo56us
    14-Jul-2017 14:45  
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Counter offer ! Counter offer ! Counter Offer PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
 
 
lglg666
    14-Jul-2017 14:38  
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Looking at the share price of this crap....maybe still got a small hope there maybe a counter offer becoz the price is recovering from this morning's low or other sellers having the same thot as mine.

lglg666      ( Date: 14-Jul-2017 14:26) Posted:

Yeah.....lucky for me that this GLP help save my back side after getting hit by UE. Still holding to my UE hoping for counter offer coming in.

kirana      ( Date: 14-Jul-2017 14:10) Posted:

GLP 3.38. This should be the price for UE.!!


 
 
lglg666
    14-Jul-2017 14:26  
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Yeah.....lucky for me that this GLP help save my back side after getting hit by UE. Still holding to my UE hoping for counter offer coming in.

kirana      ( Date: 14-Jul-2017 14:10) Posted:

GLP 3.38. This should be the price for UE.!!

 

 
investshare
    14-Jul-2017 14:21  
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Not sure about that. There is no reason 2.60 should be the floor.

FATABA      ( Date: 14-Jul-2017 12:37) Posted:

30+% is bot fm OCBC at 2.60 ....which wld set this as the floor price for UE.
​ NAV as pointed out is 3.06 or so......so in the future this stock wld still remain trading betw this range assuming no major issue.
Certainly many feel buying near the 2.60 is a save margin .
My personal veiw.

triphopper      ( Date: 14-Jul-2017 11:55) Posted:

There are people punting for counter offer as the floor price is $2.60. Some with bigger risk appetite may think this is good risk-reward


 
 
desmodeus
    14-Jul-2017 14:12  
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ai lai liao
 
 
kirana
    14-Jul-2017 14:10  
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GLP 3.38. This should be the price for UE.!!
 
 
Octavia
    14-Jul-2017 12:49  
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I think $2.15 and below is a safer margin since market like to give 30% discount for property/constr stock.
 
 
FATABA
    14-Jul-2017 12:37  
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30+% is bot fm OCBC at 2.60 ....which wld set this as the floor price for UE.
​ NAV as pointed out is 3.06 or so......so in the future this stock wld still remain trading betw this range assuming no major issue.
Certainly many feel buying near the 2.60 is a save margin .
My personal veiw.

triphopper      ( Date: 14-Jul-2017 11:55) Posted:

There are people punting for counter offer as the floor price is $2.60. Some with bigger risk appetite may think this is good risk-reward.

investshare      ( Date: 14-Jul-2017 11:19) Posted:

I also don't understand. I have sold half at 2.61 just now


 
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