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This Spike18 making use of Adrian kindness to attack Capitaland and even link Capitaland to hyflux. :)
Ling9345 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 18:22) Posted:
你 是 反 复 無 常 的 人 ， No one trust your word
Don't buy,if u think CLI IS NO GOOD
Spike18 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 18:07) Posted:
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And to bro Adrian, u already know that Spike18 lied about buying and selling capitaland. Yet time and again, u being kind towards him
and letting him make use of u to reply u and then whack capitaland " indirectly"
I do not know whether u know he is a troll here to attack and say bad things about capitaland? or u purposely " play along" with him :)
Act innocent again, come in and bash capitaland again making use of his " friendiness" with bro Adrian.
Aiya, why need to pretend. Let me say out loud what u want to say la, dun beat around the bush.
Dun need to keep making use of Adrian kindness and pretend to " reply" Adrian but subtlely attacking
Capitaland la.. aiyo..
SPIKE18 (without acting, what he actually is saying):
It will prove my point that there is no sure thing that capitaland with this restructure is a sure winner. I just highlighting the risks so that those unitiated dun anyhow follow the many positive promotions of capitaland by supporters of capitaland, so I am saying Capitaland is not as good as u think.
The maths is easy, if capitaland is good, a lot of funds will buying and share price will shoot thru the roof but no leh, i dun see buying by funds happening leh. Reminds me of Hyflux, too good to be true so I suspect this capitaland deal same as hyflux, too good to be true, so not as positive as many of u are led to believe.
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Good man ! I like the conviction.
It brings me no joy that this expected price will not be reached end of trading day tomorrow but it will prove my point that there is no sure thing. It is not my intention or am I able to influence buying or selling of this share. If one will read carefully my post, I did not advocate buy or sell but just highlighting the risks lest the unitiated follows the many positive promotions of this stock. That said, I have nothing against the stock/reit in focus. But, if the math is so easy, there will be alot of funds buying and that is not happening. The kicker could only when CLI is included in the MSCI as you have pointed out. That is, no rise for CLI on first day of trading. Whether it will eventually rise to 2x or more NAV, no one knows.
My friends and I have made the mistake in being sold by some investment house the once darling Hyflux perpetual bond. A sure-win or no lose deal - such high yield. This is not to say that this is the same but this deal may not be as positive as many believe.
Well, just one more day and we can see. Again - there will not be any schadenfreud from me.
All the best - either way how the stock closes tomorrow. Spike18 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 22:09) Posted:
Good man ! I like the conviction.
It brings me no joy that this expected price will not be reached end of trading day tomorrow but it will prove my point that there is no sure thing. It is not my intention or am I able to influence buying or selling of this share. If one will read carefully my post, I did not advocate buy or sell but just highlighting the risks lest the unitiated follows the many positive promotions of this stock. That said, I have nothing against the stock/reit in focus. But, if the math is so easy, there will be alot of funds buying and that is not happening. The kicker could only when CLI is included in the MSCI as you have pointed out. That is, no rise for CLI on first day of trading. Whether it will eventually rise to 2x or more NAV, no one knows.
My friends and I have made the mistake in being sold by some investment house the once darling Hyflux perpetual bond. A sure-win or no lose deal - such high yield. This is not to say that this is the same but this deal may not be as positive as many believe.
Well, just one more day and we can see. Again - there will not be any schadenfreud from me.
All the best - either way how the stock closes tomorrow.
Adrianinsing ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 19:41) Posted:
No change to my CapitaLand forecast. 😊 😊
CapitaLand will be at least $4.10 by close tomorrow 😊 😊 |
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Good man ! I like the conviction.
It brings me no joy that this expected price will not be reached end of trading day tomorrow but it will prove my point that there is no sure thing. It is not my intention or am I able to influence buying or selling of this share. If one will read carefully my post, I did not advocate buy or sell but just highlighting the risks lest the unitiated follows the many positive promotions of this stock. That said, I have nothing against the stock/reit in focus. But, if the math is so easy, there will be alot of funds buying and that is not happening. The kicker could only when CLI is included in the MSCI as you have pointed out. That is, no rise for CLI on first day of trading. Whether it will eventually rise to 2x or more NAV, no one knows.
My friends and I have made the mistake in being sold by some investment house the once darling Hyflux perpetual bond. A sure-win or no lose deal - such high yield. This is not to say that this is the same but this deal may not be as positive as many believe.
Well, just one more day and we can see. Again - there will not be any schadenfreud from me.
All the best - either way how the stock closes tomorrow.
Adrianinsing ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 19:41) Posted:
No change to my CapitaLand forecast. 😊 😊
CapitaLand will be at least $4.10 by close tomorrow 😊 😊
Spike18 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 17:49) Posted:
Dear Adrianinsing,
Any change in your expected closing price ?
Looking at the trend, may even end below S$4 end of 9th Septembe |
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No change to my CapitaLand forecast. 😊 😊
CapitaLand will be at least $4.10 by close tomorrow 😊 😊
Spike18 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 17:49) Posted:
Dear Adrianinsing,
Any change in your expected closing price ?
Looking at the trend, may even end below S$4 end of 9th September
Adrianinsing ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 15:17) Posted:
Will rebound later tomorrow
Any price $3.95- $4 is v reasonable
Will close higher tomorrow |
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I know how contra and shorting works.
As for the statistic mentioned below, as I was talking about shortist and contra players, I thought you were comparing the percentage between these two. I see that you are talking about the percentage of contra players between retails and institutions...
Anyway, regardless of what price it closes tomorrow, it actually a buying opportunity. The market is always fickle minded.....
Adrianinsing ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 11:56) Posted:
No
I mean what I say
93% of contra player are retail investors ( institutions also contra )
A contra does not have a short position
A contra player is simply a person who buys and sells before the due date
and thus pockets the profit or pays the losses without picking up the share
A short player sells something he does not own ( possibly borrows share ) or is a naked
short in that he does not borrow the share ) in the hope of buying back later at a lower price
so that he csn pocket the difference
Kandee ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 11:23) Posted:
| Thanks for the clarification. I guess you meant to say Shortist are 93% of Capitaland retail investors |
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Spot on..
He clearly is making use of bro Adrian kindness towards him to induce fear.. hai..
Now he wants bro Adrian to lower his closing prediction to below S$4. That will be a disaster becos previously
Adrian predicted $4.10. By " luring" Adrian to drop his prediction to below S$4 is sending a message that something
not right with Capitaland.
Adrian has been too kind to him already.
EVERYONE knows today share price drop is due to STI dropping by 1.27%. DBS also dropped by 1.15%. In line with the whole market,
Capitaland share price also drop by 1.23% which is very very normal.
Unless u tell me Spike18 does not know today STI dropped by 1.27%?
Ling9345 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 18:22) Posted:
你 是 反 复 無 常 的 人 ， No one trust your word
Don't buy,if u think CLI IS NO GOOD
Spike18 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 18:07) Posted:
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你 是 反 复 無 常 的 人 ， No one trust your word
Don't buy,if u think CLI IS NO GOOD
Spike18 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 18:07) Posted:
An uneducated little person !
josemmm123 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 18:05) Posted:
Dear Spike18,
Yes the share price will end below S$1 end of 9th September. Very scare |
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I dun know whether u are really ignorant or u are faking just like u lied about u buying and selling capitaland?
Already many ppl including Adrian already mentioned, long term Capitaland is a sure win. Short term due to the violatility of the
market and the ever changing market sentiment, share price of Capitaland will go up and down.
But as long as u are a long term investors, just wait for 17 September and get ur CLI deposited into ur CDP account.
Are u really that ignorant about share market or u pretend to again trying to say Capitaland share price going to fall below S$4?
So are u hoping that Adrian will agree with u and say Capitaland share price not looking good will fall below S$4?
Spike18 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 17:49) Posted:
Dear Adrianinsing,
Any change in your expected closing price ?
Looking at the trend, may even end below S$4 end of 9th September
Adrianinsing ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 15:17) Posted:
Will rebound later tomorrow
Any price $3.95- $4 is v reasonable
Will close higher tomorrow |
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Ya ya, better than u ignorant person. If u dun know why Capitaland share price dropped today, then I think u shd stop
investing in shares. Go look at how much STI dropped today...Everyone knows today share price dropped is becos of bearish market sentiment,
nothing to do with Capitaland itself.
Why still ask? So u want Adrian to say " ya, i going to change my expected closing price to S$1 becos today very scary, Capitaland share price dropped so much.. dun know why, maybe something wrong with Capitaland, maybe the deal may not be successful?" Spike18 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 18:07) Posted:
An uneducated little person !
josemmm123 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 18:05) Posted:
Dear Spike18,
Yes the share price will end below S$1 end of 9th September. Very scare |
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Dear Adrianinsing,
Spike18 indirectly telling you that you should lower your expected closing price. Best you can say now your expected price
is S$1 end of 9th September.
He " pretend" not to know that the WHOLE STI drops because of poor market sentiment today and almost ALL counters' share price
dropped today. He can' t be so noob that he does not know today capitaland price drop is due to overall market bearish sentiment. Even giant like
DBS share price also dropped by more than 1%.
He seems like very innocently worried about why Capitaland share price dropped? Is it becos Capitaland is no good? :)
If you still dun know what he is up to, then too bad :)
Spike18 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 17:49) Posted:
Dear Adrianinsing,
Any change in your expected closing price ?
Looking at the trend, may even end below S$4 end of 9th September
Adrianinsing ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 15:17) Posted:
Will rebound later tomorrow
Any price $3.95- $4 is v reasonable
Will close higher tomorrow |
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An uneducated little person !
josemmm123 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 18:05) Posted:
Dear Spike18,
Yes the share price will end below S$1 end of 9th September. Very scared
Spike18 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 17:49) Posted:
Dear Adrianinsing,
Any change in your expected closing price ?
Looking at the trend, may even end below S$4 end of 9th Septembe |
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Dear Spike18,
Yes the share price will end below S$1 end of 9th September. Very scared
Spike18 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 17:49) Posted:
Dear Adrianinsing,
Any change in your expected closing price ?
Looking at the trend, may even end below S$4 end of 9th September
Adrianinsing ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 15:17) Posted:
Will rebound later tomorrow
Any price $3.95- $4 is v reasonable
Will close higher tomorrow |
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Dear Adrianinsing,
Any change in your expected closing price ?
Looking at the trend, may even end below S$4 end of 9th September
Adrianinsing ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 15:17) Posted:
Will rebound later tomorrow
Any price $3.95- $4 is v reasonable
Will close higher tomorrow
grandjedi ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 15:04) Posted:
| Capitaland only $4 now? can buy.. dont 2.5% from peak... |
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Interesting.. on CL 2nd last trading day, CICT -1.92% to close at $2.04, CL -1.24%.at $4 ,STI -1.27%.
The countdown continues..
invest8 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 12:13) Posted:
According to CL, CLI implied consideration is $4.102 ..$(0.328+0.951+2.823).
CL and CICT current trading prices $4.04 and $2.04 respectively, 1.5 more trading days (incl. today) for CL.
I think the current lacklustre CL trading is due to the weak CICT performance, in addition to the not-so-favourable market sentiment and the shortists activities some forummers here have stated.
Nevertheless, regardless of CL closing price tomorrow.. I think CLI to perform well on introductory day and trade above the implied consideration. If otherwise, a good opportunity for one to buy and accumulate.. |
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To use the term quoted by someone in this thread and this time i have to agree with him this word is appropriate.
DUMB investors sell, SMART investors buy :)
Anyway they have to sell because they dun have the $$$ to pick up the shares and tmr last day.
Looking forward to 17 September for CICT trading price and 20 September for CLI trading price.
tguanhoc ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 17:14) Posted:
| 17 million shares were bought and sold. Somehow I believe a large group of short term investors were exiting CAPLAND because they were stunned by its continued weakness. Some of these " losers" could have lately bought CAPLAND close to $4. They just don' t see the value and great expectation anymore of CLI. But the institutional investors are hot in pursuit of mopping up all the shares especially at $4. |
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17 million shares were bought and sold. Somehow I believe a large group of short term investors were exiting CAPLAND because they were stunned by its continued weakness. Some of these " losers" could have lately bought CAPLAND close to $4. They just don' t see the value and great expectation anymore of CLI. But the institutional investors are hot in pursuit of mopping up all the shares especially at $4.
Will rebound later tomorrow
Any price $3.95- $4 is v reasonable
Will close higher tomorrow
grandjedi ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 15:04) Posted:
| Capitaland only $4 now? can buy.. dont 2.5% from peak... |
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Capitaland only $4 now? can buy.. dont 2.5% from peak...
Good analysis
I think the following
1. Hold CICT if you have more than enough money to buy more CLI without selling CICT
2. Sell CICT if you need money to buy more CLI as CLI will give you more % upside
note : if your are willing buy CICT on weakness when many selling then buy more as the
price will only be depressed temporarily- CICT will go back to $2.34 within 5 weeks after
CLI listed
I will be both buying additional CLI on September 20th and eventually additional CICT when
sellers give me the bargain I want and I will make money on both CLI and CICT 😊 👍
josemmm123 ( Date: 08-Sep-2021 13:27) Posted:
To those investors who think suggesting selling CICT is DUMB, feel free to skip my posting. Thanks
Why sell CICT?
Typically a good REIT like CICT trades somewhere from 1.05x to 1.5x NTA. Most analysts give an Target price of $2.532 for CICT for about 22% upside from the current share price of $2.05 to $2.10.
Whereas for REIMS (Reits manager), the average for all the REIMS is 2.9x NTA.
So if u sell CICT at $2.05 and buy CLI at $3 (assuming you need to pay $3, although technical it should start trading at $2.82(NTA) )
Potential upside for CICT if u wait for it to hit target price is 22%
Potential upside for CLI if u wait for it to hit REIMS average of 2.9x = $2.82 x 2.9 = almost $8.2 for a almost 300% upside.
So one stragety is to sell CICT and buy CLI when trading starts for CLI on 20th Sept if you want to earn more for ur capital gain. BUT if u like CICT for it' s dividend or whatever reasons u might have, then sure keep the CICT, u may even consider selling CLI to buy more CICT if that is the case.
All the information given above are based on ACTUAL REAL information. Sources of the above information is given below.
Sources : 1) https://sginvestors.io/analysts/singapore-s-reit-target-price
2) https://investor.capitaland.com/newsroom/20210322_104741_C31_0SBERMKZPV36Z7OR.3.pdf
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