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UE building up!

Waiting for official announcement on sgx. Otherwise could be just speculation.

 

Ok, I just saw the news. Someone sent it to me. Thanks for tipping off. Ocbc quite slow to react. Didnt see it either on sgx that was why I was thinking where your info came from.

joshlai86      ( Date: 31-May-2017 17:28) Posted: Perennial chosen for final talks. Bloomberg

 

I mean 5.30 pm. *5.30 pm. I have kot seen any new news regarding united engineers as at 5.30 pm on 31st may 2017.

MrSingaporean      ( Date: 31-May-2017 17:51) Posted: Which news? Feb news? Or today's news? I dont see any info on sgx or on latest bloomberg news as at 6.30 pm today, 31 May 2017 joshlai86      ( Date: 31-May-2017 17:28) Posted: Perennial chosen for final talks. Bloomberg

 

Which news? Feb news? Or today's news? I dont see any info on sgx or on latest bloomberg news as at 6.30 pm today, 31 May 2017

joshlai86      ( Date: 31-May-2017 17:28) Posted: Perennial chosen for final talks. Bloomberg

 

Perennial chosen for final talks. Bloomberg

 

I was just thinking how old are the forumners here. So just a random thought that's all. I was thinking is us9392 are 2 people born in 1992 and 1993. Lol

kirana      ( Date: 30-May-2017 22:07) Posted: Not sure how to answer you. What' s the intention here? If in my 20s, I might not know UE good enough. The main objective here is " and they live happily forever and after." Hahaha.

 

Not sure how to answer you. What' s the intention here? If in my 20s, I might not know UE good enough. The main objective here is " and they live happily forever and after." Hahaha.

 

Kirana, just wondering, are you in 20s ?

kirana      ( Date: 29-May-2017 21:03) Posted: Yeah! Even is not successful this time round, it will be even higher next time! Like gem it can appreciate over time. So far, I didn' t switch out of SPH. Just let it be. For UE, maybe can really add more as days go by. Deep down I felt that the almighty one will not fail to answer my prayer.

 

Hmm back to below 2. We have to see how it plays out.

us9392      ( Date: 30-May-2017 00:52) Posted: Financials like EV $2456 mio( Yr 2016) divided by 637 mio shares, is $3.85 . But nobody will pay EV.  So apply a EV discount of 10 % is $3.47, 20 % is $3.08.  The problem with UE assets are they are old ( means need money to refurbish) and other *not 3 not 4* hotel, apartment and condo , which are hard to liquidate at one go. The buyer would have to be given discount to slowly sell them separately. If it is so easy to sell them , OCBC/UE would have sold them long ago.  That brings us back to question of OCBC rigid thinking, forever thinking they holding on to trump card. They should realise that other cities in the world are getting more exciting than Sing. There is nothing much exciting I can see in the horizon. In short if the price is OK, best to do the deal before the next downturn comes and UE back to below $2.................DYOHW

 

Financials like EV $2456 mio( Yr 2016) divided by 637 mio shares, is $3.85 . But nobody will pay EV.  So apply a EV discount of 10 % is $3.47, 20 % is $3.08. 
The problem with UE assets are they are old ( means need money to refurbish) and other *not 3 not 4* hotel, apartment and condo , which are hard to liquidate at one go. The buyer would have to be given discount to slowly sell them separately. If it is so easy to sell them , OCBC/UE would have sold them long ago. 
That brings us back to question of OCBC rigid thinking, forever thinking they holding on to trump card. They should realise that other cities in the world are getting more exciting than Sing. There is nothing much exciting I can see in the horizon. In short if the price is OK, best to do the deal before
the next downturn comes and UE back to below $2.................DYOHW
 

 

If its 3.45 per share, dont tell me none willing to offer at this amount? Or they not capable to? I dont think the bidders cant give 3.45. Perhaps OCBC asking more otherwise if already hit 3.45, probably will be announced already. Unless the offers come in low. Shocking. If price per share is 3.45, UEL would be sold at 2.199 bil. Meaning 219 mil above 1.98 bil? Will ocbc settle for 219 mil difference?

 

Ocbc is definitely fussy. They wont let it go cheap. Thus 10 bidders to 5 strongest bidders.

us9392      ( Date: 30-May-2017 00:05) Posted: Yes most likely price range $3.10 to $3.45 ( one to 1.1 times book value) . That is why the share price is depress down to $2.65 . So that when final price would look like at 130 % premium. Alot depends on OCBC which in the past is sticky about price, which is why this is the 3rd round.......DYOHW

 

Yes most likely price range $3.10 to $3.45 ( one to 1.1 times book value) . That is why the share price is depress down to $2.65 . So that when final price would look like at 130 % premium. Alot depends on OCBC which in the past is sticky about price, which is why this is the 3rd round.......DYOHW

 

If this time round even after streamlining the company and no takeover investor's confidence will plunge. As it will be "3 times not successful." Then the sale will nvr be taken seriously again....that may be the worse thing to happen.

kirana      ( Date: 29-May-2017 21:03) Posted: Yeah! Even is not successful this time round, it will be even higher next time! Like gem it can appreciate over time. So far, I didn' t switch out of SPH. Just let it be. For UE, maybe can really add more as days go by. Deep down I felt that the almighty one will not fail to answer my prayer.

 

I doubt will be above $3.80 per share. I believe the price per share would be based on the market cap of UEL as of end march 2017. That was about $1.98 bil over approximate 637,508,148 shares. So per share about $3.10 that time. The bidders probably bid above the $3.10 per share. I doubt they will keep changing their bid if the price fluctuates. Otherwise it might never be acquired if every time price changes, their bid changes? Lol.

lglg666      ( Date: 29-May-2017 22:32) Posted: Agreed that if there is an offer most likely to be in the range of present share price of $2.65 plus a premium of 15 to 25%....so it may be at around $3.10 to $3.40 kirana      ( Date: 26-May-2017 15:29) Posted: WHy you hope Samling wins? They can pay better value? If price stays around 2.65, how to offer 3.65?

 

Agreed that if there is an offer most likely to be in the range of present share price of $2.65 plus a premium of 15 to 25%....so it may be at around $3.10 to $3.40

kirana      ( Date: 26-May-2017 15:29) Posted: WHy you hope Samling wins? They can pay better value? If price stays around 2.65, how to offer 3.65?

 

Yeah! Even is not successful this time round, it will be even higher next time! Like gem it can appreciate over time. So far, I didn' t switch out of SPH. Just let it be. For UE, maybe can really add more as days go by. Deep down I felt that the almighty one will not fail to answer my prayer.

 

All the best to all of us. My friends and I bought many lots for UEL lol

AndyLoss      ( Date: 29-May-2017 17:27) Posted: In today with 5 lots...to try my luck :) ... betting heavily on GLP.   MrSingaporean      ( Date: 29-May-2017 11:24) Posted: I understand where you are coming from. And U.E is pretty quiet and no updates. Really tough decision for me too as my friends and I invested quite a good amount into UE. And we dont know when result will be out and whether positive or not. Hm

 

In today with 5 lots...to try my luck :) ... betting heavily on GLP.

 

MrSingaporean      ( Date: 29-May-2017 11:24) Posted: I understand where you are coming from. And U.E is pretty quiet and no updates. Really tough decision for me too as my friends and I invested quite a good amount into UE. And we dont know when result will be out and whether positive or not. Hmm kirana      ( Date: 29-May-2017 08:49) Posted: I hold quite substantial UE. I mean it makes up more than 45% of what i invested. Selling SPH now (this period) and reinvest into UE means going to cut loss for those few lots at 3.55. The really old batches are all well below 2.30 during Lehman time. Yet having more in UE defy the concept of spreading across many stocks. Is a hard decision to make.

 

I understand where you are coming from. And U.E is pretty quiet and no updates. Really tough decision for me too as my friends and I invested quite a good amount into UE. And we dont know when result will be out and whether positive or not. Hmm

kirana      ( Date: 29-May-2017 08:49) Posted: I hold quite substantial UE. I mean it makes up more than 45% of what i invested. Selling SPH now (this period) and reinvest into UE means going to cut loss for those few lots at 3.55. The really old batches are all well below 2.30 during Lehman time. Yet having more in UE defy the concept of spreading across many stocks. Is a hard decision to make.