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famouspinky
    16-Jun-2016 19:39  
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Well said. This is a society of positive pictures. Bluffing own3lves.

nqing87      ( Date: 23-May-2016 12:33) Posted:



dunno how many times sgx had changed the STI components over these few years.. i remember before noble got kick out of STI components, olam was also kick out previously.. they put in stronger counters & therefore, total market capitalisation didnt fall as much.. dow jones changed it' s components only 51 times over the 100+ years.. our sgx dunno changed how many times this few years.. sometimes shouldnt just anyhow change & put in the better performance counters in terms of share price, ' cos the poor performance also depicts the current state of economic situation.. no point painting a facade rosy picture & putting all the strong counters & making STI buff up, when the global economy wasnt that rosy as it is..

Just4win      ( Date: 23-May-2016 12:01) Posted:



Good sharing. Thx, Bro!

Just to clarify, based on your analysis, does it mean that if STI' s counter composition remained unchanged, STI should hv fallen by > 50%, iso 30% ?

Hmmm... theroretically, STI is a safer bet, since SGX can always changed the counters , based on the best among the best or best among the worst.

 


 
 
chengwh1
    16-Jun-2016 18:39  
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The ann' t came in at 18:18:32. 200000 Units were defended at a price of USD 0.810 per unit.

The price kept trying USD0.805 in between intervals today,... but got bumped up to USD0.810,... Wonder how will it open on Monday,....
 
 
chengwh1
    16-Jun-2016 18:13  
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Looks like there has been no stabilizing action done today to defend the price at USD0.810. There is no ann' t till now,...
 

 
chengwh1
    16-Jun-2016 17:06  
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So,...the Stabilization Period is probably ending tomorrow, and  in the last 30 days since listing, Credit Suisse has kept on buying to hold the price up.When Credit Suisse stops doing the buying, how much will the price fall ?
 
 
nqing87
    23-May-2016 12:33  
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dunno how many times sgx had changed the STI components over these few years.. i remember before noble got kick out of STI components, olam was also kick out previously.. they put in stronger counters & therefore, total market capitalisation didnt fall as much.. dow jones changed it' s components only 51 times over the 100+ years.. our sgx dunno changed how many times this few years.. sometimes shouldnt just anyhow change & put in the better performance counters in terms of share price, ' cos the poor performance also depicts the current state of economic situation.. no point painting a facade rosy picture & putting all the strong counters & making STI buff up, when the global economy wasnt that rosy as it is..

Just4win      ( Date: 23-May-2016 12:01) Posted:



Good sharing. Thx, Bro!

Just to clarify, based on your analysis, does it mean that if STI' s counter composition remained unchanged, STI should hv fallen by > 50%, iso 30% ?

Hmmm... theroretically, STI is a safer bet, since SGX can always changed the counters , based on the best among the best or best among the worst.

 

Qanghoo      ( Date: 21-May-2016 13:00) Posted:

Apologies.  I' ve re-posted due to too many typos. 

If  we were to do a chart of the STI for the last 10 yrs, we might  be  surprised at what we' d see - that it has gone down by abt 30%, from close to 4,000 pts then  to < 2,800 pts now.    Yet, if we were to take a closer look at the same constituent stocks that made up the STI then that still form part of the index now, we' d probably find that many of them have fundamentally strengthened in terms of capital base, balance sheet n performance.  N if we cld do an exact apple-for-apple comparison of all the stocks listed here from that same date 10 yrs ago and now, we might find    that mkt capitalisation  has shrunk  > 50%.  That is the kind of world class mkt, set in one of the world' s great financial centres, we are talking abt.  Will it shock us or shame us as Singaporeans?  Probably not.   It only confirms what kind of illusions we are probably  living in, n how a management with such apparently inept performance n showing seemingly so poor imagination n foresight has been allowed to continue on n on.   



 
 
Just4win
    23-May-2016 12:01  
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Good sharing. Thx, Bro!

Just to clarify, based on your analysis, does it mean that if STI' s counter composition remained unchanged, STI should hv fallen by > 50%, iso 30% ?

Hmmm... theroretically, STI is a safer bet, since SGX can always changed the counters , based on the best among the best or best among the worst.

 

Qanghoo      ( Date: 21-May-2016 13:00) Posted:

Apologies.  I' ve re-posted due to too many typos. 

If  we were to do a chart of the STI for the last 10 yrs, we might  be  surprised at what we' d see - that it has gone down by abt 30%, from close to 4,000 pts then  to < 2,800 pts now.    Yet, if we were to take a closer look at the same constituent stocks that made up the STI then that still form part of the index now, we' d probably find that many of them have fundamentally strengthened in terms of capital base, balance sheet n performance.  N if we cld do an exact apple-for-apple comparison of all the stocks listed here from that same date 10 yrs ago and now, we might find    that mkt capitalisation  has shrunk  > 50%.  That is the kind of world class mkt, set in one of the world' s great financial centres, we are talking abt.  Will it shock us or shame us as Singaporeans?  Probably not.   It only confirms what kind of illusions we are probably  living in, n how a management with such apparently inept performance n showing seemingly so poor imagination n foresight has been allowed to continue on n on.   

nqing87      ( Date: 21-May-2016 11:02) Posted:



any IPO other than healthcare, food/entertainment, will not perform well here in sg market currently.. so far many had tanked, only IPO serving healthcare/food/entertainment are performing well.. like singapore O& G, jumbo, mm2, acromec.. sg market give good valuations to these sectors currently.. playing stock sometimes also not about fundamentals/technicals, also about branding/sentiment lol


 

 
Toyota86
    23-May-2016 11:48  
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I didn' t buy from the IPO...Is it time to buy?
 
 
Qanghoo
    21-May-2016 13:00  
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Apologies.  I' ve re-posted due to too many typos. 

If  we were to do a chart of the STI for the last 10 yrs, we might  be  surprised at what we' d see - that it has gone down by abt 30%, from close to 4,000 pts then  to < 2,800 pts now.    Yet, if we were to take a closer look at the same constituent stocks that made up the STI then that still form part of the index now, we' d probably find that many of them have fundamentally strengthened in terms of capital base, balance sheet n performance.  N if we cld do an exact apple-for-apple comparison of all the stocks listed here from that same date 10 yrs ago and now, we might find    that mkt capitalisation  has shrunk  > 50%.  That is the kind of world class mkt, set in one of the world' s great financial centres, we are talking abt.  Will it shock us or shame us as Singaporeans?  Probably not.   It only confirms what kind of illusions we are probably  living in, n how a management with such apparently inept performance n showing seemingly so poor imagination n foresight has been allowed to continue on n on.   

nqing87      ( Date: 21-May-2016 11:02) Posted:



any IPO other than healthcare, food/entertainment, will not perform well here in sg market currently.. so far many had tanked, only IPO serving healthcare/food/entertainment are performing well.. like singapore O& G, jumbo, mm2, acromec.. sg market give good valuations to these sectors currently.. playing stock sometimes also not about fundamentals/technicals, also about branding/sentiment lol

 
 
Qanghoo
    21-May-2016 12:46  
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If  we were to do a chart of the STI for the last 10 yrs, we' d be shocked at what we' d see - that it has gone down by abt 30%, from clost to 4,000 pts to < 2,800 pts now.    Yet, if we were to take a closer look at the same constituent stocks that made up the STI then that still form part of the index now, we' d probably find that many of them have fundamentally strengthened in terms of capital base, balance sheet n performance.  N if we cld do an exact apple-for-apple comparison of all the stocks listed here from that same date 10 yrs ago and now, we might find  that mkt capitalisation maybe shrinking > 50%.  That is the kind of world class mkt, set in one of the world' s great financial centres of the world, we are talking abt.  Will it shock us or shame us as Singaporeans?  Probably not It only confirms what kind of illusions we are probably  living in n how a management with such apparently inept performance n showing seemingly so poor imagination n foresight has been allowed to continue on n on. 

nqing87      ( Date: 21-May-2016 11:02) Posted:



any IPO other than healthcare, food/entertainment, will not perform well here in sg market currently.. so far many had tanked, only IPO serving healthcare/food/entertainment are performing well.. like singapore O& G, jumbo, mm2, acromec.. sg market give good valuations to these sectors currently.. playing stock sometimes also not about fundamentals/technicals, also about branding/sentiment lol

 
 
Lepin888
    21-May-2016 11:47  
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Better off buy existing reits that deliver above 6% and also lower gearing and no exchange risk. ..this one attractive only if above 7.5% yield..
 

 
nqing87
    21-May-2016 11:02  
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any IPO other than healthcare, food/entertainment, will not perform well here in sg market currently.. so far many had tanked, only IPO serving healthcare/food/entertainment are performing well.. like singapore O& G, jumbo, mm2, acromec.. sg market give good valuations to these sectors currently.. playing stock sometimes also not about fundamentals/technicals, also about branding/sentiment lol
 
 
john_ric
    20-May-2016 23:58  
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i applied for 2000 but , LUCKily , I did not get this crap.

 
 
 
sengsk
    20-May-2016 17:56  
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Totally agree with you.

US will turn the market down with this interest rate hike.

Right now, they are doing the slow cooking of the frog .

Investors are advise to sell off your Reit, property, banking stock in Singapore market.

Remember, any good news from now is the best time to sell it off.

lighter87      ( Date: 20-May-2016 17:46) Posted:

Potential interest rate hike will force reits price down

 
 
lighter87
    20-May-2016 17:46  
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Potential interest rate hike will force reits price down
 
 
sgng123
    20-May-2016 16:02  
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Don bother with market this time, it is sell in may go away in june trading pattern. 2 major global issues that might rock market this 2q namely brexit and taiwan dpp lead government. Market hate uncertainty, don know if britain would stay or leave and what kind of shit taiwan new gov would create give market big reason to sell down till coast clear. Even surviving these we still got us president election in 3q, donald trump effect would rock market
 

 
ehclim
    20-May-2016 15:58  
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Agressive pricing and over valuation of theit assets. No track records on the profitability.

junction      ( Date: 20-May-2016 13:51) Posted:



what is wrong with the ipo in   your opinion?  

sengsk      ( Date: 20-May-2016 13:23) Posted:



Any profit should take it and not to hold.....

This type of IPO normally after 3 mths it WILL drop below IPO price.


 
 
mistiq88
    20-May-2016 15:37  
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nah, just wait for it to bottom, then it will be ' played' up again.

same for ' most' IPO.
 
 
halleluyah
    20-May-2016 14:37  
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Wrong timing ipo when US huha int hike....int hike better to avoid reit....
 
 
qwertyuiop00
    20-May-2016 14:12  
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Lol 0.795 already. Let's see it drop to 0.50
 
 
junction
    20-May-2016 13:51  
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what is wrong with the ipo in   your opinion?  

sengsk      ( Date: 20-May-2016 13:23) Posted:



Any profit should take it and not to hold.....

This type of IPO normally after 3 mths it WILL drop below IPO price.

ehclim      ( Date: 20-May-2016 13:18) Posted:



I think it will be under water.


 
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