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Japfa IPO 15 August

Any news that made the price collapse today when overall sentiment is good?

 

Think due to poor subsidiary result....

ash902      ( Date: 03-Nov-2014 16:22) Posted: kanna wack today.

 

kanna wack today. 

 

Lousy presentation

 

ash902      ( Date: 23-Oct-2014 15:04) Posted: Japfa started at ' outperform' by Stanchart with 95 cents price target SINGAPORE (Oct 21): Standard Chartered is initiating coverage on Japfa Ltd with an " outperform" call and a target price of 95 cents. Stanchart likes Japfa because it is a " rare proxy for Asia' s protein boom" , it says in an Oct 20 report. Japfa operates in Indonesia, China, India, Myanmar and Vietnam across various stages in the agri-food value chain, including animal feed production, animal breeding, livestock fattening and consumer food. Its animal protein business segments include chicken, pork and beef.

 

Japfa started at ' outperform' by Stanchart with 95 cents price target

SINGAPORE (Oct 21): Standard Chartered is initiating coverage on Japfa Ltd with an " outperform" call and a target price of 95 cents.

Stanchart likes Japfa because it is a " rare proxy for Asia' s protein boom" , it says in an Oct 20 report.

Japfa operates in Indonesia, China, India, Myanmar and Vietnam across various stages in the agri-food value chain, including animal feed production, animal breeding, livestock fattening and consumer food.

Its animal protein business segments include chicken, pork and beef.

 

you keep digressing.

The discussion question is a simple For an average-income person, is losing $35K over a 12.5 year period a lot or not, that' s all

Shock321      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 21:16) Posted: Ok, I am out of the discussion. I had enough for the day. finance      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 21:15) Posted: you keep digressing. The discussion question is a simply for an average-income person is losing $35,000 over a 12.5 year period a lot or not

 

Ok, I am out of the discussion. I had enough for the day.

finance      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 21:15) Posted: you keep digressing. The discussion question is a simply for an average-income person is losing $35,000 over a 12.5 year period a lot or not   Shock321      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 21:09) Posted: Average income person standard is very subjective. Any thing between 5k to 8k per month is known as average income earner. Also income doesn' t have good correlation to stock market performance.   Refer to investorpedia to find out more about Return On Capital  http://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/returnoninvestment.asp

 

you keep digressing.

The discussion question is a simply for an average-income person is losing $35,000 over a 12.5 year period a lot or not

 

Shock321      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 21:09) Posted: Average income person standard is very subjective. Any thing between 5k to 8k per month is known as average income earner. Also income doesn' t have good correlation to stock market performance.   Refer to investorpedia to find out more about Return On Capital  http://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/returnoninvestment.asp   finance      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 21:06) Posted: you are wrong! you had digressed. I' m just saying is losing $35,000 over a 12.5 year period consider a huge loss for an average-income person, that' s all. Nothing to do with % vs the capital. Eg, My that colleague(he' s working-class) he felt it is acceptable becos he said he treat it as entertainment costs of $2800 a year which adds up to 35K in 12.5 years. He said like many pple go cheong KTV, bet soccer, bet lotteries, bet horse, visit FLs or even travelling each year if add up 12.5 years also got spend $35,000 Another example, saw in sammyboyforum where many forummers posted they spend an average of $3,000 to $5000 on strictly cheong KTVs/visit FLs alone. (they haven' t include their soccer bets/other gambling losses)

 

Average income person standard is very subjective.

Any thing between 5k to 8k per month is known as average income earner.

Also income doesn' t have good correlation to stock market performance.

 

Refer to investorpedia to find out more about Return On Capital 

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/r/returnoninvestment.asp

 

finance      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 21:06) Posted: you are wrong! you had digressed. I' m just saying is losing $35,000 over a 12.5 year period consider a huge loss for an average-income person, that' s all. Nothing to do with % vs the capital. Eg, My that colleague(he' s working-class) he felt it is acceptable becos he said he treat it as entertainment costs of $2800 a year which adds up to 35K in 12.5 years. He said like many pple go cheong KTV, bet soccer, bet lotteries, bet horse, visit FLs or even travelling each year if add up 12.5 years also got spend $35,000 Another example, saw in sammyboyforum where many forummers posted they spend an average of $3,000 to $5000 on strictly cheong KTVs/visit FLs alone. (they haven' t include their soccer bets/other gambling losses) Shock321      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 19:55) Posted: Just like winning, losing also depends on how much his initial capital is. The percentage, not absolute amount, is all that matter. For example, we got one hao lian ExpertInvestor who often show off his 5 figures gain. Lets take it as $10,000 since he did not mention the exact figure.  $10,000 is considered to be impressive if his capital (Including those he borrowed from margin financing) is $10,000 because his return would be 100% On the other hand, if his capital is $1M. Then his return is only 1% only. Put fixed deposite (1.08% from OCBC) also better than his return.   Alot of people don' t understand the importance of Return On Capital (ROC) and impressed by his 5 figures gain lol.

 

you are wrong!

you had digressed.

I' m just saying is losing $35,000 over a 12.5 year period consider a huge loss for an average-income person, that' s all. Nothing to do with % vs the capital.

Eg, My that colleague(he' s working-class) he felt it is acceptable becos he said he treat it as entertainment costs of $2800 a year which adds up to 35K in 12.5 years.

He said like many pple go cheong KTV, bet soccer, bet lotteries, bet horse, visit FLs or even travelling each year if add up 12.5 years also got spend $35,000

Another example, saw in sammyboyforum where many forummers posted they spend an average of $3,000 to $5000 on strictly cheong KTVs/visit FLs alone. (they haven' t include their soccer bets/other gambling losses)

Shock321      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 19:55) Posted: Just like winning, losing also depends on how much his initial capital is. The percentage, not absolute amount, is all that matter. For example, we got one hao lian ExpertInvestor who often show off his 5 figures gain. Lets take it as $10,000 since he did not mention the exact figure.  $10,000 is considered to be impressive if his capital (Including those he borrowed from margin financing) is $10,000 because his return would be 100% On the other hand, if his capital is $1M. Then his return is only 1% only. Put fixed deposite (1.08% from OCBC) also better than his return.   Alot of people don' t understand the importance of Return On Capital (ROC) and impressed by his 5 figures gain lol.  finance      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 19:49) Posted: By the way, I just heard this from my middle-aged colleague just now He said in his 12.5 years of investing/playing in stocks from 2002 Feb till now, he had overall net lost a total of $35,000. Hence just for discussion, is losing $35,000 in stocks over a 12.5 years period consider a lot of money lost??

 

Just like winning, losing also depends on how much his initial capital is. The percentage, not absolute amount, is all that matter.

For example, we got one hao lian ExpertInvestor who often show off his 5 figures gain. Lets take it as $10,000 since he did not mention the exact figure. 

$10,000 is considered to be impressive if his capital (Including those he borrowed from margin financing) is $10,000 because his return would be 100%

On the other hand, if his capital is $1M. Then his return is only 1% only. Put fixed deposite (1.08% from OCBC) also better than his return.

 

Alot of people don' t understand the importance of Return On Capital (ROC) and impressed by his 5 figures gain lol. 

finance      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 19:49) Posted: By the way, I just heard this from my middle-aged colleague just now He said in his 12.5 years of investing/playing in stocks from 2002 Feb till now, he had overall net lost a total of $35,000. Hence just for discussion, is losing $35,000 in stocks over a 12.5 years period consider a lot of money lost??

 

By the way, I just heard this from my middle-aged colleague just now

He said in his 12.5 years of investing/playing in stocks from 2002 Feb till now, he had overall net lost a total of $35,000.

Hence just for discussion, is losing $35,000 in stocks over a 12.5 years period consider a lot of money lost??

 

 

The thing is by the time when a stock rose very strongly already, you will not be willing to buy at that high price to keep for holding long-term anymore.

Eg when Noble had risen a lot on high volume to above $1.10 few months ago, many are not willing to buy at this high price to keep longterm becos they will be thinking why Noble late last year at 78 cts to 90 cts don' t want to buy to keep longterm, now $1.10plus then buy to keep is macham very !@#%^& .

Same case for Yanlord in 2011 example too.

Most peoplel' s mindset is if buy a stock to keep longterm is prefer to buy near it' s bottom or when a stock has fallen a lot due to general market sentiment.

dragonn      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 15:11) Posted: Just wait, jump in when dividend annoucement is near, signs usually is sudden increase in trade with counter price going up.   Now just wait for it to drop and drop till it stops, before jumping in for mid to long term Sam1903      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 13:58) Posted: All I can do is wishing you good luck with your hard-earned money on Japfa.

 

Don' t think so.

finance      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 17:06) Posted: does this japfa give dividends the next year in 2015? dragonn      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 15:11) Posted: Just wait, jump in when dividend annoucement is near, signs usually is sudden increase in trade with counter price going up.   Now just wait for it to drop and drop till it stops, before jumping in for mid to long term

 

does this japfa give dividends the next year in 2015?

dragonn      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 15:11) Posted: Just wait, jump in when dividend annoucement is near, signs usually is sudden increase in trade with counter price going up.   Now just wait for it to drop and drop till it stops, before jumping in for mid to long term Sam1903      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 13:58) Posted: All I can do is wishing you good luck with your hard-earned money on Japfa.

 

Just wait, jump in when dividend annoucement is near, signs usually is sudden increase in trade with counter price going up.

 

Now just wait for it to drop and drop till it stops, before jumping in for mid to long term

Sam1903      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 13:58) Posted: All I can do is wishing you good luck with your hard-earned money on Japfa. finance      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 13:45) Posted: Another reason why I think I notice this stock versus other IPOs is I notice in most other IPOs is always the stock got played up on it' s 1st day or max the 2nd day only and will keep falling from the 3rd day onwards. But I noticed Japfa is the exact opposite, the 1st day very stagnant and 2nd day even drop 2 cts to close at 82 cts But from the 3 day onwards to the follwing next 1 to 2 weeks, Japfa keep rising and rose to a high of about 96 cts hence this means this BBs or funds do like this stock.

 

Usually these 2 types of stocks are the most stable for mid to long-term investment, stocks that give good dividends(but won' t have strong upside) and food-related stocks.

 

Sam1903      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 13:39) Posted: Many other stocks which are better and (safer) than Japfa also dropping in price for your to pick... Why must limit your choice on Japfa?      finance      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 13:26) Posted: If buy Japfa to hold for a say 6 mth to 1 year period, will Japfa rise back to at least 80-85 cts?? Or will Japfa keep falling next year to below 60cts?? I see Japfa is in food business(pork, chicken and other poultry business in indonesia etc) so it should be stable growing business and not cyclical like NOL, Vard or electronics type etc etc. Heard it is the number 2 biggest in the industry in indonesia...........And saw Japfa commfeed has 40 years history alredy....... I now got spare $60,000 in bank account, but is my hard-earned money, very tempted to invest in this stock for mid-term, still thinking now. Any views?

 

All I can do is wishing you good luck with your hard-earned money on Japfa.

finance      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 13:45) Posted: Another reason why I think I notice this stock versus other IPOs is I notice in most other IPOs is always the stock got played up on it' s 1st day or max the 2nd day only and will keep falling from the 3rd day onwards. But I noticed Japfa is the exact opposite, the 1st day very stagnant and 2nd day even drop 2 cts to close at 82 cts But from the 3 day onwards to the follwing next 1 to 2 weeks, Japfa keep rising and rose to a high of about 96 cts hence this means this BBs or funds do like this stock.

 

Yep, the way it' s falling now, looks like some cks are forcing the price down and collecting cheap.  If I remember correctly, the same happepned to Pac Radiance also.  Very dirty game.

finance      ( Date: 16-Oct-2014 13:45) Posted: Another reason why I think I notice this stock versus other IPOs is I notice in most other IPOs is always the stock got played up on it' s 1st day or max the 2nd day only and will keep falling from the 3rd day onwards. But I noticed Japfa is the exact opposite, the 1st day very stagnant and 2nd day even drop 2 cts to close at 82 cts But from the 3 day onwards to the follwing next 1 to 2 weeks, Japfa keep rising and rose to a high of about 96 cts hence this means this BBs or funds do like this stock.