Break out from sep 24 high 86.5..looking good.....huat arh....
kt3152 ( Date: 26-Jan-2026 13:24) Posted:
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whats up with properties today ? all flying man
Hopefully can clear 855 and 865 to go to next level....last done 85....
How not to allow the Cheongs to collect CHEAPLY?
Their pockets are DEEP and they CONTROL the Company and looks like the independent directors  Adrian has been on the board for years!
He was at one time, I think, vice Chairman of SID and yet he still considershimself INDEPENDENT! 
LOL LOL LOL
Their pockets are DEEP and they CONTROL the Company and looks like the independent directors  Adrian has been on the board for years!
He was at one time, I think, vice Chairman of SID and yet he still considershimself INDEPENDENT! 
LOL LOL LOL
7ocean ( Date: 21-Dec-2025 14:27) Posted:
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Don' t let the HF Director collet cheap
sfw2124 ( Date: 20-Dec-2025 13:55) Posted:
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Technically, price uptrending with a harami followed by an indecisive doji. The next csndlestick should determine if a correction is coming
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So can you say categorically Hong Fok(H30) share buy back mandate has good rather than ill-intentions? 
The short answer is  no, and here' s why the governance structure and ownership dynamics are concerning, despite lower financial risk than Paincare.
In April 2025, Hong Fok' s Chairman Adrian Chan Pengee was  re-designated from an independent director to a non-independent chairman  due to tenure-based rules under the SGX Listing Manual. This is a significant governance red flag because the Code of Corporate Governance Provision 3.1 requires board independence, especially when the chairman wields operational influence. Hong Fok' s board responded by appointing a Lead Independent Director (Kwik Sam Aik) after the fact&mdash a  reactive safeguard, not a proactive one.
More critically, the company has a  related-party control structure that directly incentivises selective capital deployment. Sim Eng Cheong holds 14% of Hong Fok' s shares and simultaneously serves as Co-Chief Executive Officer. Pin Chuan Cheong, the other CEO, holds 2.8% directly. This mirrors exactly the conflict-of-interest problem that plagued Paincare: management that has both operational control and significant ownership stakes stands to benefit when the company deploys capital in ways that concentrate minority shareholders' losses.
When a company conducts aggressive buybacks&mdash and Hong Fok has purchased 4,289,400 shares (0.524% of issued capital) in just 3.5 weeks starting November 19, 2025&mdash the effect is to  reduce the total float while insiders' ownership percentages increase without them spending additional capital.
If Sim Eng Cheong holds 14% before a buyback of 5 million shares, his 14% represents a larger slice of a smaller pie after the buyback. This is a wealth transfer mechanism from minority shareholders to the controlling shareholder, particularly if the buyback occurs at prices below intrinsic value. There is no evidence that Hong Fok management has disclosed that buybacks only occur at prices verified to be below intrinsic value&mdash a protection Paincare also lacked.
Hong Fok does  not  exhibit the critical failure points that collapsed Paincare' s privatisation scheme:
1. No Goodwill Risk: Hong Fok' s goodwill is only S$276,000 against S$3.7 billion in total assets&mdash essentially negligible (0.007%). Paincare' s vulnerabilities stemmed from goodwill-heavy healthcare acquisitions that deteriorated. Hong Fok' s recent acquisitions have been property-focused (February 2025 property acquisition completion announced), not acquisition-integration dependent.
2. Strong Financial Backing: Hong Fok has S$2.9 billion in shareholder equity and S$659 million in long-term debt, with stable property rental income generating S$38 million+ in annual revenue. Paincare failed because it became dependent on external credit facilities (UOB) that lapsed. Hong Fok' s equity cushion and tangible asset base provide protection.
3. Profitable Operations: The company is generating dividends (S$0.01 final dividend proposed) and profitability independent of share-price gymnastics. Paincare' s operations had deteriorated by the time the privatisation was proposed.
You  cannot categorically say the buyback has " good intentions"   because:
If you are a minority shareholder in Hong Fok, watch for:
Hong Fok' s buyback mandate cannot be given a clean bill of health as having " good intentions" due to the governance structure. However, it is  not currently in the acute distress zone that Paincare entered. The financial backing is stronger, the asset quality is higher, and goodwill risk is negligible. Monitor governance decisions closely rather than assuming benign intent if the board lacks the independence to challenge management buyback proposals, you have evidence of ill-intentions unfolding. DYODD
No&mdash You Cannot Say Categorically That Hong Fok' s Buyback Mandate Has Good Intentions
The short answer is  no, and here' s why the governance structure and ownership dynamics are concerning, despite lower financial risk than Paincare.
The Core Problem: Governance Mirrors Paincare' s Weakness
In April 2025, Hong Fok' s Chairman Adrian Chan Pengee was  re-designated from an independent director to a non-independent chairman  due to tenure-based rules under the SGX Listing Manual. This is a significant governance red flag because the Code of Corporate Governance Provision 3.1 requires board independence, especially when the chairman wields operational influence. Hong Fok' s board responded by appointing a Lead Independent Director (Kwik Sam Aik) after the fact&mdash a  reactive safeguard, not a proactive one.
More critically, the company has a  related-party control structure that directly incentivises selective capital deployment. Sim Eng Cheong holds 14% of Hong Fok' s shares and simultaneously serves as Co-Chief Executive Officer. Pin Chuan Cheong, the other CEO, holds 2.8% directly. This mirrors exactly the conflict-of-interest problem that plagued Paincare: management that has both operational control and significant ownership stakes stands to benefit when the company deploys capital in ways that concentrate minority shareholders' losses.
The Ill-Intention Incentive: How Buybacks Benefit Related Parties
When a company conducts aggressive buybacks&mdash and Hong Fok has purchased 4,289,400 shares (0.524% of issued capital) in just 3.5 weeks starting November 19, 2025&mdash the effect is to  reduce the total float while insiders' ownership percentages increase without them spending additional capital.
If Sim Eng Cheong holds 14% before a buyback of 5 million shares, his 14% represents a larger slice of a smaller pie after the buyback. This is a wealth transfer mechanism from minority shareholders to the controlling shareholder, particularly if the buyback occurs at prices below intrinsic value. There is no evidence that Hong Fok management has disclosed that buybacks only occur at prices verified to be below intrinsic value&mdash a protection Paincare also lacked.
Why the Risk Is Lower Than Paincare (But Still Present)
Hong Fok does  not  exhibit the critical failure points that collapsed Paincare' s privatisation scheme:
1. No Goodwill Risk: Hong Fok' s goodwill is only S$276,000 against S$3.7 billion in total assets&mdash essentially negligible (0.007%). Paincare' s vulnerabilities stemmed from goodwill-heavy healthcare acquisitions that deteriorated. Hong Fok' s recent acquisitions have been property-focused (February 2025 property acquisition completion announced), not acquisition-integration dependent.
2. Strong Financial Backing: Hong Fok has S$2.9 billion in shareholder equity and S$659 million in long-term debt, with stable property rental income generating S$38 million+ in annual revenue. Paincare failed because it became dependent on external credit facilities (UOB) that lapsed. Hong Fok' s equity cushion and tangible asset base provide protection.
3. Profitable Operations: The company is generating dividends (S$0.01 final dividend proposed) and profitability independent of share-price gymnastics. Paincare' s operations had deteriorated by the time the privatisation was proposed.
What You Cannot Assume
You  cannot categorically say the buyback has " good intentions"   because:
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Governance weakness is structural, not accidental. The loss of an independent chairman combined with related-party CEO control creates precisely the conditions under which minority oppression occurs. -
The buyback pace is aggressive&mdash 0.15% per week since November 19 suggests operational urgency rather than measured, shareholder-value-accretion discipline. -
No public disclosure  exists explaining why buybacks are being executed now, at what price validation they occur, or what threshold of intrinsic value has been established. Paincare' s governance failures began here&mdash with vague communication and lack of independent scrutiny.
Red Flags to Monitor for H30
If you are a minority shareholder in Hong Fok, watch for:
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Acceleration of buybacks beyond 0.2% per week, which would signal aggressive minority suppression -
Any deterioration in property rental yields or distressed property sales, which would weaken the financial cushion and create vulnerability to external funding pressure -
Dividend cuts or suspension, which would reveal that profitability has declined (obscured during buyback activity) -
Sim Eng Cheong' s ownership percentage increasing  through the buyback process without him contributing capital&mdash evidence of value transfer -
Rubber-stamp board approvals  with no independent dissent on buyback decisions, signaling the Lead Independent Director safeguard is ineffective
Conclusion
Hong Fok' s buyback mandate cannot be given a clean bill of health as having " good intentions" due to the governance structure. However, it is  not currently in the acute distress zone that Paincare entered. The financial backing is stronger, the asset quality is higher, and goodwill risk is negligible. Monitor governance decisions closely rather than assuming benign intent if the board lacks the independence to challenge management buyback proposals, you have evidence of ill-intentions unfolding. DYODD
7ocean ( Date: 19-Dec-2025 12:15) Posted:
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NO $1.50 No Sell
TikTalk ( Date: 19-Dec-2025 11:09) Posted:
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Continued to buy back share on 17 & 18 December
TikTalk ( Date: 17-Dec-2025 11:14) Posted:
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16 Dec 170K
15 Dec 262.50K
11 Dec 270K
10 Dec 563K
9 DEc 445.5K
8 Dec 75K
2 Dec 200k
28 Nov 42.4K
24 Nov 841K
21 Nov 270.1K
20 Nov 519.9K
19 Nov 800K
15 Dec 262.50K
11 Dec 270K
10 Dec 563K
9 DEc 445.5K
8 Dec 75K
2 Dec 200k
28 Nov 42.4K
24 Nov 841K
21 Nov 270.1K
20 Nov 519.9K
19 Nov 800K
TikTalk ( Date: 17-Dec-2025 10:10) Posted:
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HF has been buying back shares since 13 times since Nov 19th.
Good volume yesterday.
some action today ...
sfw2124 ( Date: 25-Oct-2025 11:01) Posted:
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HONG FOK HOLDINGS (H30) @ S$0.775 - STRATEGIC ASSESSMENT
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
Current Price:  S$0.775 (5-year chart shows trading S$0.615-1.18 range)
Market Cap:  S$675M
Intrinsic Value (Base Case):  S$2.44 (per AlphaSpread DCF) =  +215% upside
Fair Value (Conservative):  S$0.73-1.00
Institutional Rating:  HOLD with STRATEGIC OPTIONALITY  (dependent on real estate divestment)
PART 1: ASSET-RICH, EARNINGS-POOR PARADOX
The Hong Fok Situation
| Metric | Value | Assessment |
|---|---|---|
| Total Assets | S$3.65B | ✅ Asset-rich |
| Stockholders' Equity | S$2.32B | ✅ Strong balance sheet |
| Market Cap | S$675M | ❌ Trading at 29% of book value |
| Book Value per Share | S$2.83 (S$2.32B ÷ 820M shares) | ❌ Stock at S$0.77 vs S$2.83 BV |
| Price-to-Book Ratio | 0.27x | ❌   Extreme discount |
| Price-to-Tangible Book | 0.30x | ❌   Ultra-discounted |
 
 
Why the Discount?
Root Cause: Real Estate Valuation Opacity
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Hong Fok holds primarily  investment properties  (rental income-generating, long-held assets) -
FY2024 revenue: S$104M (rental income stable) -
But net profit volatile (S$88M in 2023, down to S$24M in 2024) -
Key issue:  Property revaluations create earnings volatility, confusing investors
The 5-Year Chart Tells the Story:
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Peak 2020-2022: S$1.00-1.18 (when property values strong) -
Decline 2022-2023: -38% (property revaluation writedowns) -
Current 2025: S$0.775 (still depressed despite asset quality)
PART 2: REAL ESTATE DIVESTMENT PROBABILITY
Probability Assessment: 40-60% Within 24 Months
Supporting Evidence:
1. International Building Acquisition (Feb 2025) - BEARISH Signal
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Hong Fok spent S$27.8M acquiring remaining units in International Building (360 Orchard Road) -
Now owns  100% of all units  in the building -
Implication:  Consolidation suggests potential SALE package (easier to sell as single entity)
2. Management Incentives (BULLISH for Divestment)
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Current P/B ratio 0.27x suggests assets significantly undervalued on books -
If sold at " fair market value" (typically 0.7-1.0x book for quality commercial real estate):-
Net proceeds: S$1.6-2.3B potential -
Would be major capital event
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3. MAS Deputy Chairman Chee Hong Tat' s " Value Unlock" Message - BULLISH Catalyst
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Oct 22 DBS Report emphasized:  " Companies should unlock trapped value in assets" -
Message directly aimed at conglomerates sitting on real estate -
Hong Fok explicitly fits this profile
4. Conservative Board Dynamics - CAUTIONARY Factor
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Hong Fok Board historically  conservative, family-controlled -
Founded by late magnate Cheong Eak Chong' s descendants -
Cultural hesitation:  Long-term property holders resist sales (views real estate as legacy) -
BUT:  Estate settlements (2012, 2022) suggest willingness to crystallize value when needed
Divestment Probability Scenarios:
| Scenario | Probability | Timeline | Price Impact |
|---|---|---|---|
| Partial divestment  (S$500-800M from 1-2 properties) | 45% | 12-18 months | +15-25% |
| Full strategic review  (Asset separation/holding company) | 30% | 18-24 months | +10-20% (announcement effect) |
| No divestment  (Status quo) | 25% | N/A | -5 to +5% (drift) |
 
 
PART 3: INTRINSIC VALUE ANALYSIS
Three Valuation Approaches
Approach 1: NAV (Net Asset Value) Method
| Component | Value (S$B) |
|---|---|
| Investment Properties  (at market value, est.) | 2.8-3.2 |
| Cash & Short-term Investments | 0.045 |
| Other Assets | 0.1 |
| Less: Total Debt | (0.66) |
| Less: Liabilities | (0.72) |
| Estimated NAV | 2.5-2.9B |
| Per Share (NAV ÷ 820M) | S$3.05-3.54 |
| Current Price | S$0.775 |
| Upside | +294-357% |
 
 
Assessment:  NAV suggests stock trading at 22-26% of intrinsic value. Extreme undervaluation, but assumes properties valued at current market rates (often overstated for old buildings).
Approach 2: DCF (Discounted Cash Flow) - AlphaSpread
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Base Case Fair Value:  S$2.44  (+215% upside) -
Range: S$0.13-15.92 (wide because of asset volatility) -
Model assumes stable rental cash flows: ~S$50M annually
Assessment:  More conservative than NAV, but still suggests 3x current price.
Approach 3: Sum-of-the-Parts (SOTP)
| Asset | Est. Value | Valuation Multiple |
|---|---|---|
| Concourse (Office Tower) | S$800-1,000M | 12-14x NOI |
| International Building | S$350-450M | 8-10x rent |
| Other properties | S$600-800M | Market-based |
| Less: Net Debt | (S$626M) | @ book |
| Enterprise Value | S$2.1-2.6B |   |
| Per Share | S$2.57-3.17 |   |
| Current Price | S$0.775 |   |
| Fair Value Range | S$1.50-2.50  (conservative) |   |
| Upside (Conservative) | +94-223% |   |
 
 
PART 4: DBS REPORT & MAS DEPUTY CHAIRMAN IMPACT
How " Value Unlock" Message Affects Hong Fok Board
MAS Deputy Chairman Chee Hong Tat' s October 22 Statement:
" Companies sitting on undervalued real estate should consider strategic capital management to unlock value for shareholders."
Board Interpretation:
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Political Pressure (Soft):  MAS implicit encouragement to monetize assets -
Regulatory Blessing:  Asset sales viewed favorably by regulator -
Shareholder Activism:  Announcement creates expectation management -
Tax Clarity:  Potential capital gains treatment favorable for real estate transactions
Hong Fok Board Response (Predicted Timeline):
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Q4 2025:  Board likely commissions  independent valuation  of portfolio -
Q1 2026:  Management may announce  strategic review  of assets -
Q2 2026:  Potential  partial divestment  or  REIT spinoff  announcement -
Q3-Q4 2026:  Actual transaction completion
PART 5: LIQUIDITY CHALLENGE
Why Stock Price Lags Intrinsic Value
| Factor | Impact |
|---|---|
| Float | Only 276.68M shares (33.8% of 820M) free to trade |
| Insider Ownership | 25.54% (locked up) |
| Institutional Holders | 2.94% (minimal) |
| Daily Volume | ~3.7M shares (0.45% of float daily) |
| Bid-Ask Spread | 0.5-1.0% typically |
| Trading Halts | Sporadic (corporate actions) |
 
 
Implication:
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Stock is  illiquid  = institutional managers avoid it -
Large position purchases cause 5-10% price moves -
No efficient price discovery mechanism -
BUT:  Creates opportunity for patient investors
PART 6: CONSERVATIVE BOARD MINDSET
Why Hong Fok Management is Reluctant to Act
Corporate Psychology:
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Legacy mentality:  Fok family views real estate as heritage, not trading asset -
Decades-long holding:  Concourse Tower owned since 1980s -
Capital gains tax concerns:  S$1.6B+ gain would trigger substantial tax -
Replacement asset problem:  Where to deploy proceeds? (higher yields hard to find)
However, Catalysts Forcing Action:
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Debt refinancing needs  (2025-2026) -
Dividend pressure  (1.26% yield = S$8.7M annually needed) -
Intergenerational wealth planning  (Fok family succession concerns) -
MAS/SGX pressure  (regulatory nudging toward value unlock)
FINAL RECOMMENDATION
Investment Thesis: H30 @ S$0.775
Rating:  ACCUMULATE for Patient, Value-Focused Investors  ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐
Entry Strategy:
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Tier 1:  Buy S$0.70-0.75 (3% of portfolio) -
Tier 2:  Add S$0.65-0.70 on weakness (2% more) -
Total Position:  5% maximum (illiquidity risk)
Price Targets:
| Timeframe | Catalyst | Target | Probability |
|---|---|---|---|
| 12 months | Strategic review announcement | S$0.95-1.20 | 60% |
| 18 months | Partial divestment completion | S$1.30-1.60 | 40% |
| 24 months | Full asset optimized | S$1.80-2.40 | 30% |
 
 
Risk Factors:
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❌ Continued property market weakness (-10% downside) -
❌ Board inaction/no strategic change (stagnation at S$0.70) -
❌ Debt refinancing stress (if rates spike)
EQDP & MAS 2nd Tranche Impact:
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Probability of Inclusion:  20% (property companies less prioritized than tech/manufacturing) -
If Included:  +5-8% lift from ETF flows -
Overall Impact:  Modest (not primary driver)
Bottom Line:  Hong Fok is a  classic illiquid value opportunity  trading at 27% of book value with 69% implied upside. The MAS " Value Unlock" message creates 60% probability of positive catalysts within 12-18 months. However, illiquidity and conservative board management suggest  patience is required. Best suited for value investors with 18-24 month horizons who can tolerate liquidity constraints. Not recommended for EQDP-dependent strategies or short-term traders. Note: Vested and using my idle SRS fund
kt3152 ( Date: 05-Sep-2025 15:43) Posted:
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Going to clear 825 soon?......now 815 820.....
kt3152 ( Date: 22-Aug-2025 10:41) Posted:
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Playing with the Cheongs slowly wait and wait.
They are long term crocodiles
They are long term crocodiles
kt3152 ( Date: 22-Aug-2025 10:41) Posted:
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Need to clear 825 the got hope...
7ocean ( Date: 22-Aug-2025 10:26) Posted:
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The potential up side is $0.865
kt3152 ( Date: 25-Jul-2025 15:30) Posted:
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I thot dead already when it dropped to 81.. today reverse up to 84 with higher volume...looks good.....
kt3152 ( Date: 23-Jul-2025 14:17) Posted:
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