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Dango95 Member	10-Jun-2020 12:21        Dango95 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	wah brother dont like that say if every 5years 1 big virus come hantam us my heart cannot take it  uiop1223      ( Date: 10-Jun-2020 12:19) Posted: Maybe Covid25 or Covid30? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Dango95      ( Date: 10-Jun-2020 12:16) Posted: Would it be feasible to say that if I dont mind holding this share for lets say 5-10years i can buy in now and just wait for it to crawl back up?
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uiop1223 Supreme	10-Jun-2020 12:19        uiop1223 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Maybe Covid25 or Covid30? 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Dango95      ( Date: 10-Jun-2020 12:16) Posted: Would it be feasible to say that if I dont mind holding this share for lets say 5-10years i can buy in now and just wait for it to crawl back up?
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Dango95 Member	10-Jun-2020 12:16        Dango95 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Would it be feasible to say that if I dont mind holding this share for lets say 5-10years i can buy in now and just wait for it to crawl back up?
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SQueeze Master	10-Jun-2020 10:54        SQueeze About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Can. Little price movements. Yesterday $1.003. Today $0.998 lingua101      ( Date: 10-Jun-2020 10:39) Posted: So this MCB cannot be traded?    I know this is bond, but I saw it on my CDP portfolio just wonder.... whenissued      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 18:22) Posted: For all non-government bonds, the principal is NOT SAFE. If the company backing the bond fails, the bond fails too, ie, all money is lost. If the government is corrupt, inept and continues to print money (increasing money supply) without proper economic justification, government bonds can also fail.  An example of a failed non-government bond is  Hyfux Perpetuals and Olivia Lum-rubbish.    I personally lost $5k. I do not expect any return, let alone the principal. Any money coming from this debacle (fat chance!) will be used to buy a McDonald' s Value Meal.  SIA MCBs are indirectly government-backed  via Temasek. The government will not let SIA fail for the sake of national interest. These bonds are relatively safe.  However, if (God forbid) in the next 10 years corruption sets in the government, then SIA MCBs will be as safe as any non-government bond, ie, not safe at all.  Given that the government will never let SIA fail, the Board of Directors and CEO will be under a  very intense microscope  in managing a sustainable recovery for the company. There likely will be a change in the Board of Directors and CEO in the near future, given that SIA did not perform well even before the Covid-19 pandemic set in. One area of SIA' s operations that will need a structural change would be the way it handles its purchases of aviation fuel. SIA could not unlock themselves from oil hedging positions when the bottom fell out on the price of oil. While the rest of the world enjoyed the oil producer paying people to take the oil off their hands, SIA was paying through their proverbial noses for their fuel. Kind of like what motorists in Singapore experiences when the price of oil drops drastically, the petrol stations slowly drop their prices by a few cents, but when the price of oil rises, the petrol station prices react with price revisions almost immediately.  Bottom line: SIA MCBs are  unique bonds  which are  very safe. And given hat Temasek holds 95+% of the MCB float, shorting this bond is nothing short of suicide. But since this is Covid-19 period, there will be some who will try to beat the odds. Just my less than one cent worth' s opinion... Vested in shares and MCB
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uiop1223 Supreme	10-Jun-2020 10:53        uiop1223 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hi lingua, it can be traded. Ticker is WPOB
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lingua101 Veteran	10-Jun-2020 10:39        lingua101 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	So this MCB cannot be traded?    I know this is bond, but I saw it on my CDP portfolio just wonder.... whenissued      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 18:22) Posted: For all non-government bonds, the principal is NOT SAFE. If the company backing the bond fails, the bond fails too, ie, all money is lost. If the government is corrupt, inept and continues to print money (increasing money supply) without proper economic justification, government bonds can also fail.  An example of a failed non-government bond is  Hyfux Perpetuals and Olivia Lum-rubbish.    I personally lost $5k. I do not expect any return, let alone the principal. Any money coming from this debacle (fat chance!) will be used to buy a McDonald' s Value Meal.  SIA MCBs are indirectly government-backed  via Temasek. The government will not let SIA fail for the sake of national interest. These bonds are relatively safe.  However, if (God forbid) in the next 10 years corruption sets in the government, then SIA MCBs will be as safe as any non-government bond, ie, not safe at all.  Given that the government will never let SIA fail, the Board of Directors and CEO will be under a  very intense microscope  in managing a sustainable recovery for the company. There likely will be a change in the Board of Directors and CEO in the near future, given that SIA did not perform well even before the Covid-19 pandemic set in. One area of SIA' s operations that will need a structural change would be the way it handles its purchases of aviation fuel. SIA could not unlock themselves from oil hedging positions when the bottom fell out on the price of oil. While the rest of the world enjoyed the oil producer paying people to take the oil off their hands, SIA was paying through their proverbial noses for their fuel. Kind of like what motorists in Singapore experiences when the price of oil drops drastically, the petrol stations slowly drop their prices by a few cents, but when the price of oil rises, the petrol station prices react with price revisions almost immediately.  Bottom line: SIA MCBs are  unique bonds  which are  very safe. And given hat Temasek holds 95+% of the MCB float, shorting this bond is nothing short of suicide. But since this is Covid-19 period, there will be some who will try to beat the odds. Just my less than one cent worth' s opinion... Vested in shares and MCBs SQueeze      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 17:48) Posted: I think people are misunderstanding the MCB.  The MCB is a bond, not a stock. It has a principal amount and interest of 4% to 8% per year depending on how far it is from now (further means higher interest).  Unlike stocks, this principal is safe. They will pay you back this principal amount of $1 plus interests when they redeem it half way or when it matures, they will give you 180% (in the latter case, they will give it in shares). Yes you can lose some money if you trade the bond at the market price, but you will not lose anything if you have the holding power till it redeems or it matures. The only time you lose money that time is when SIA goes bankrupt (very unlikely to happen) or if after 10 years, SIA shares trade less than $2.68 (also unlikely to me).  Don' t go into thseunless you know what bonds are. They are not stocks. They don' t need to be traded like stocks. It' s more like you are lending them money and then they will pay you back later plus some pretty good interest.
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SAVIORFOREVER Supreme	10-Jun-2020 08:32        SAVIORFOREVER About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bid Bid Vol(K) Ask Ask Vol(K) 4.370 307.4 4.370 285.3 4.360 2.6 4.380 188.4 4.350 11.4 4.390 159.3 4.340 7 4.400 375.6 4.330 8 4.410 205 4.320 16.2 4.420 55.2 4.310 4.2 4.430 74.6 4.300 105.8 4.440 46.5 4.290 58.3 4.450 167 4.280 30.4 4.460 158 4.270 10 4.470 132.6 4.260 165.5 4.480 86 4.250 113.9 4.490 51.1 4.240 75.2 4.500 317.7 Trade with caution no contra no short and DYODD
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TheDuellist Senior	10-Jun-2020 07:50        TheDuellist About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Looks like SQ may be doing a mid-air refuelling today. Good chance to load up for those going for the Long haul. (hopefully not to Amsterdam....haha...if you catch the drift)
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SQueeze Master	09-Jun-2020 22:46        SQueeze About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Those airlines gained 50% in 1 week, so now they drop 7% is not exactly a plunge.  Now SIA has not moved even half of that in the last one month.  Not exactly apple to apple comparison.  Having said that I think STI is red.  When Dow soars, STI is flat Now Dow is flat or slightly correct, STI sure down  Bennytan23      ( Date: 09-Jun-2020 22:31) Posted: Airline stocks plunged. Expecting SIA to drop as well.. Come on.. drop to 3.80 so i can buy more 😂 But hold on tight ppl.. dont need to dump tmr.. Its gonna grow much more 🤑
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Bennytan23 Senior	09-Jun-2020 22:31        Bennytan23 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Airline stocks plunged. Expecting SIA to drop as well.. Come on.. drop to 3.80 so i can buy more 😂 But hold on tight ppl.. dont need to dump tmr.. Its gonna grow much more 🤑
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nngeeh Veteran	09-Jun-2020 19:32        nngeeh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I agreed. SIA has access to $15B and will be able to survive. It won' t matter if we buy or sell from this point onwards. If we buy, it won' t make us more patriotic, and similarly, selling won' t make us less patriotic. We are all here to make money ...... cannot be too emotional ....or too attached to a stock. uiop1223      ( Date: 09-Jun-2020 14:47) Posted: Just like covid virus knows no nationality, so does money. Forget abt national pride when buying or shorting stock. Do what u need to do to make money look@bright      ( Date: 09-Jun-2020 14:41) Posted: national pride what to do, anw lost is temporary due to convid and poitical issue
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TheDuellist Senior	09-Jun-2020 18:13        TheDuellist About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	WPOB Last Done: 1.003 Vol: 150.0k ckh002      ( Date: 09-Jun-2020 18:05) Posted: What' s the clsoing price MCB? I dont seem to find it. TheDuellist      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 10:09) Posted: MCB to be listed on 9 June 202
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SQueeze Master	09-Jun-2020 18:11        SQueeze About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	$1.003 ckh002      ( Date: 09-Jun-2020 18:05) Posted: What' s the clsoing price MCB? I dont seem to find it. TheDuellist      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 10:09) Posted: MCB to be listed on 9 June 202
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ckh002 Member	09-Jun-2020 18:05        ckh002 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	What' s the clsoing price MCB? I dont seem to find it. TheDuellist      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 10:09) Posted: MCB to be listed on 9 June 2020 lingua101      ( Date: 08-Jun-2020 10:04) Posted: Sorry why MCB the downside is unlimited?  At most it go $0 right.  So if you subscribe to it, the max lost is $1. BTW, I cannot find this MCB counter (WPOB).  Does it not been traded
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uiop1223 Supreme	09-Jun-2020 14:47        uiop1223 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Just like covid virus knows no nationality, so does money. Forget abt national pride when buying or shorting stock. Do what u need to do to make money look@bright      ( Date: 09-Jun-2020 14:41) Posted: national pride what to do, anw lost is temporary due to convid and poitical issue
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Starship Supreme	09-Jun-2020 14:46        Starship About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Wow, Curry Lamb bailing out Cathay Pacific with HKD 30b. Boatman      ( Date: 09-Jun-2020 14:22) Posted: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/hong-kong-government-cathay-pacific-rescue-package-12818602?cid=FBcna
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look@bright Elite	09-Jun-2020 14:41        look@bright About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	national pride what to do, anw lost is temporary due to convid and poitical issue
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Boatman Master	09-Jun-2020 14:32        Boatman About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Huge amount of losses per mth for cathay
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Boatman Master	09-Jun-2020 14:22        Boatman About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/hong-kong-government-cathay-pacific-rescue-package-12818602?cid=FBcna
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SQueeze Master	09-Jun-2020 13:32        SQueeze About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Let' s put back SIA thread on SIA!  MCB is moving tiny weeny bit. $1.003 now TheDuellist      ( Date: 09-Jun-2020 09:23) Posted: I think there are buyers bidding $1.00 Sellers asking 1.01 now You have to ask your poems back end staff why it is not found. Boatman      ( Date: 09-Jun-2020 09:17) Posted: cant find in poems for  WPOB
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