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stkoh78
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11-Jun-2016 00:00
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is there a reason why must wait for another 6mth for the next offer and not immediate after July 18 |
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sgng123
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10-Jun-2016 23:54
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When ah gong run, better run. Lesson learnt from 1997 malaysia CLOB event horizon for lot of investors back. That one still hurt a lot though i recover the losses later tech boom but backside still got scars. Scars remind me to be nimble and run if no way to salvage. |
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famouspinky
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10-Jun-2016 23:34
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Cruel fellows. Like what sgng mentioned, French men may acquire at $1.
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Prognosticator
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10-Jun-2016 23:31
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Bros, just attended SIAS meeting and have tried to summarise possible scenarios: 
 
CMA Acquires More Than 90% of the shares in VGO
 
CMA CGM will have to compulsorily acquire all outstanding shares (ie those belonging to shareholders who did not accept the Offer) at Offer Price of $1.30. (Based on Companies Act, they have to acquire all the remainingshares at the same price as the earlier Offer if they get more than 90% shares from Offer.)
 
CMA Acquires Less Than 90% of the shares in the current Offer
 
CMA CGM will attempt to voluntarily delist CMA CGM
 
Three Conditions for voluntary delisting (Rule 1307 of the Listing Manual): 
 
1) Need to convene general meeting of shareholders 
 
2) 75% of shares belonging to the shareholders present at meeting must vote yes
 
3) Not more than 10% of shares belonging to shareholders present at the meeting must vote against delisting
 
If CMA is forced to try a voluntary delisting, it means that more than 10% of shareholders already did not agree to sell their shares to CMA in offer. So to defeat this voluntary delisting, all we will need is for the shareholders who did not accept NOL' s offer to turn up and vote no. There' s a very strong incentive to vote no because if the voluntary delisting proceeds, we minority holders will be left with shares in a delisted company that we will find very hard to sell. 
 
Even if the voluntary delisting happens (ie because too few minority shareholders turned up to vote against it), under Rule 1309 of the Listing Manual, CMA will have to offer a " reasonable alternative" " usually in cash" to all shareholders. Likely to be the same $1.30 offer price because there would be a huge uproar if anything lower. Today the Frenchie said it will be $1.30, then Ng Yat Chung contradicted him and tried to say they may offer lower LOL. 
 
In the most likely scenario that the voluntary delisting attempt is defeated as more than 10% vote against it, here' s where things get interesting. CMA CGM will be the majority shareholder but will not be able to delist NOL and acquire it as a subsidiary - which was it' s original intention in the first place. 
 
Very high chance that after the 6 months, CMA CGM will step in with a new, higher offer (they are not allowed to increase the current Offer Price. But they can launch a  new, higher offer  after 6 mths).
 
During SIAS meeting today the Frenchies try to avoid answering questions about what they will do if the Offer fails to get 90% and their voluntary delisting also fails lol. It' s cos they don' t want to admit that there could be a higher price for us minority shareholders later down the road. Frenchie try and deflect by saying why wait 6 mths when can get $$$ now. I think he not aware that most of the minority shareholders are aunties n uncles who hold NOL shares for decades haha... can wait another 6 mths mah. Nvr learn from Temasek 2004 failed delist at offer price of $2.80
.  No point selling to them now, wait and force Frenchies to make higher offer 6 mths down the road when they realise they not able to delist.  |
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10-Jun-2016 22:32
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What a 180 degrees turn ?
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sgng123
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10-Jun-2016 22:23
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U evil lol.anyway see how rest of investors move for now, letter seal rdy to give in cos too much pain in the ass to wait another 6 months . The whole shit start with temasek, did u screw fat ng for sleeping on his job lol
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sgng123
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10-Jun-2016 22:19
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Pro trader skill, gona adapt to market trend else cannot survive in cruel sg market. Cut losses and later make back snapping up bank stocks when market panic, this is year of monkey, next wave of shock coming. Must get rdy bullet and buy cheap cheap stock then year end coast clear then u recover nol losses and make a bit of profit. Ah gong had abandoned us, gona learn how to take the right choice. STI might test this year low so take care and happy bargain hunting, banks tgt |
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10-Jun-2016 22:14
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I told one of the french guy that i will keep my shares even it is delisted when cma cannot obtain 10 % . He looked shocked and ask me why i choose not to accept the cash . I told him the minority shareholdrrs will be pain in the neck for cma , like CK TANG . | ||||
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famouspinky
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10-Jun-2016 22:14
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This is finance. Kopi can be 5, 10 or 15$
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mrbean249
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10-Jun-2016 22:11
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Wah bro you really flip prata gao gao leh... Last few days only see you write until got dragon got tiger about how CMA gonna increase offer cos cannot get 90%, today when CMA announce unconditional liao, you first to raise hand and leg to surrender your shares
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sgng123
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10-Jun-2016 22:00
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After offer close ship would sink 30%, then frenchmen would only wanna use 1 dollar max for second offer too risky. 6 months wait time also dangerous, can use current offer to get great discounted blue chip kike banks since sti would likely test this year low hit in jan. Opportunity cost need to take account. If brexit really happen, it gona be SGS on market everything would be like 15 to 30% cheaper. Not to mention if trump become us president hehe u see world war 3 joking |
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10-Jun-2016 21:50
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The french man said no increase of offer price , but fatty ceo clarified no increase for offer ending 18 july only . Cma can do another offer after 6 months with new offer price if they cannot obtain 90%. Fatty is giving some hint ? | ||||
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sgng123
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10-Jun-2016 21:19
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The meeting expected to end 9.30pm, most likely just a talk cock sing song event. |
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Observers
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10-Jun-2016 20:41
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How was the dinner?
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mrbean249
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10-Jun-2016 20:22
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Thanks in advance :)
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mrbean249
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10-Jun-2016 20:21
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Those who going, mind giving a rough recap of what is being talked about there? |
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10-Jun-2016 17:53
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See you guys at Sias dialogue tonight. Cheers | ||||
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sgng123
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10-Jun-2016 15:19
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Just standby mine letter, anyway even if u send in offer u still get to eat ur cake if offer revised that the beauty of the blue form.   SGX delist rule 1307 stated cma can hold special meeting to delist provided not more than 10% present vote against ,   75% present vote yes. CMA got 78%   basically they can do force delist unless all remaining members come to meeting and   vote against. The 90% threhold is 100% delist or force buy, offer go unconditional now. CMA unable to up offer cos borrowed loan from bank , ah gong had abandoned ship and left all to die. Anyway still got till 18 jul 16 to see the progress |
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quekss2014
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10-Jun-2016 14:42
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i am holding on to mine as well...have been holding on this share for years |
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granto
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10-Jun-2016 14:02
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CMA CGM takes control of NOL, shuffles the board:  http://splash247.com/cma-cgm-takes-control-of-nol-shuffles-the-board/ |
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