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St.Maximus Supreme	09-Nov-2020 17:39        St.Maximus About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Nothing sinister about this. Normal price fluctuations after a big run up. waiting for next big move in either direction sinisteral      ( Date: 09-Nov-2020 17:35) Posted: Seems to be stuttering despite the good market sentiments! Stuck at 3.18-3.22 range.  Some days it gets traded up but always come back to this level.   St.Maximus      ( Date: 05-Nov-2020 19:15) Posted: Top performing Reit. Yes it is certainly impressive and a $4 target price certainly helped! That is just 25% of the share price away. Well done, investors of Ascendas. You have set the trend for all other reits.
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sinisteral Member	09-Nov-2020 17:35        sinisteral About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Seems to be stuttering despite the good market sentiments! Stuck at 3.18-3.22 range.  Some days it gets traded up but always come back to this level.   St.Maximus      ( Date: 05-Nov-2020 19:15) Posted: Top performing Reit. Yes it is certainly impressive and a $4 target price certainly helped! That is just 25% of the share price away. Well done, investors of Ascendas. You have set the trend for all other reits.
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St.Maximus Supreme	05-Nov-2020 19:15        St.Maximus About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Top performing Reit. Yes it is certainly impressive and a $4 target price certainly helped! That is just 25% of the share price away. Well done, investors of Ascendas. You have set the trend for all other reits.
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sinisteral Member	05-Nov-2020 19:11        sinisteral About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Market today is buoyed by the election sentiments and some results but A-reit' s run is nothing short of mercurial. Any other news that helped though? chengwh1      ( Date: 02-Nov-2020 11:01) Posted: Morning, bros,..... SIA has not defaulted on her commitments,...and quite sure it won' t,.... not at least in the medium term. And Hyflux is really the odd one out, though the damage is beyond comprehension,... Depending on a person' s intentions for investing,.. well,.. take for example a retiree, if he is investing for income, then,... if the nestegg is big enough, even earning at current Singapore Savings Bond' s interest rates will also be sufficient for him to maintain an above level of standard of living, right ? However, for another nestegg of a lesser size, this investor will have to earn a higher return (hence, generally taking higher risks) to earn the same amt of income to support the same standard of living. The second person above would also need higher liquidity so that he can get hold of his funds if an opportunity presents itself suddenly. Whereas the first person in the above will always have investible funds ready-in-hand because the coupons he has been picking-up on a half-yearly basis has always been more than enough for him to spend,... creating a lot of leftovers ready to be deployed. So,... this first person would not need so much liquidity anymore.
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moron101 Supreme	02-Nov-2020 13:02        moron101 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Today can move up 10 cts will be good to set uptrend mode..
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St.Maximus Supreme	02-Nov-2020 11:05        St.Maximus About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The best now is to stay liquid, I feel. Because hard times are ahead. and income from all asset classes will fall sharply. May need to sell in order to raise cash for expenses because most people' s retirement income is going to fall below their expenses.
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chengwh1 Elite	02-Nov-2020 11:01        chengwh1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Morning, bros,..... SIA has not defaulted on her commitments,...and quite sure it won' t,.... not at least in the medium term. And Hyflux is really the odd one out, though the damage is beyond comprehension,... Depending on a person' s intentions for investing,.. well,.. take for example a retiree, if he is investing for income, then,... if the nestegg is big enough, even earning at current Singapore Savings Bond' s interest rates will also be sufficient for him to maintain an above level of standard of living, right ? However, for another nestegg of a lesser size, this investor will have to earn a higher return (hence, generally taking higher risks) to earn the same amt of income to support the same standard of living. The second person above would also need higher liquidity so that he can get hold of his funds if an opportunity presents itself suddenly. Whereas the first person in the above will always have investible funds ready-in-hand because the coupons he has been picking-up on a half-yearly basis has always been more than enough for him to spend,... creating a lot of leftovers ready to be deployed. So,... this first person would not need so much liquidity anymore.
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St.Maximus Supreme	01-Nov-2020 15:53        St.Maximus About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	You have brought out a very important point on reits. Liquidity. And yes, you have learnt it the hard way liquidity risks in holding corporate bonds, especially in difficult times for a particular industry. I have better understood your aversion towards bonds. Think of those who invested in Hyflux. I certainly hope you will not have to be like Hyflux investors. cucina      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 14:35) Posted: I hv bought a 250k bond that paid 5%.   Then the industry faced a crisis n bond price dropped to now worth half I choose to sell it.   Bonds are so illiquid that u hv no choice but to accept restructuring n dragged out tenure.   If the company goes belly up sure can get something back ... pennys on the dollar.   In a sense there is also concentration risks.   U buy when things seem fine but when it comes down to get out there is really no market to sell into, unless u want to take a loss. in contrast, those reits I hold are very liquid n getting in n out is not a problem.   As Long as a reit is a good quality n well run one the likes of Ascendas, the mapletrees, n continue to grow over time, short term volatility is not an issue.   Of course I am talking about holding them for years.
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desmodeus Veteran	01-Nov-2020 15:45        desmodeus About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	nothing ia given. sia is a good example cucina      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 14:35) Posted: I hv bought a 250k bond that paid 5%.   Then the industry faced a crisis n bond price dropped to now worth half I choose to sell it.   Bonds are so illiquid that u hv no choice but to accept restructuring n dragged out tenure.   If the company goes belly up sure can get something back ... pennys on the dollar.   In a sense there is also concentration risks.   U buy when things seem fine but when it comes down to get out there is really no market to sell into, unless u want to take a loss. in contrast, those reits I hold are very liquid n getting in n out is not a problem.   As Long as a reit is a good quality n well run one the likes of Ascendas, the mapletrees, n continue to grow over time, short term volatility is not an issue.   Of course I am talking about holding them for years.
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chengwh1 Elite	01-Nov-2020 15:36        chengwh1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bro,.. it' s hard to get out from bonds because you will be at the mercy of the intermediary.... you will have to ride it out and to hope that the issuer will not fall. Hence the quality of the bond as well as the issuer is important. This quality is highly decided by raings accorded by rating agencies. These ratings can chg overnight before we can sell the bonds. And if you go for a high-quality bond and issuer,... then your interest returns will be very low. cucina      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 14:35) Posted: I hv bought a 250k bond that paid 5%.   Then the industry faced a crisis n bond price dropped to now worth half I choose to sell it.   Bonds are so illiquid that u hv no choice but to accept restructuring n dragged out tenure.   If the company goes belly up sure can get something back ... pennys on the dollar.   In a sense there is also concentration risks.   U buy when things seem fine but when it comes down to get out there is really no market to sell into, unless u want to take a loss. in contrast, those reits I hold are very liquid n getting in n out is not a problem.   As Long as a reit is a good quality n well run one the likes of Ascendas, the mapletrees, n continue to grow over time, short term volatility is not an issue.   Of course I am talking about holding them for years.
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cucina Master	01-Nov-2020 14:35        cucina About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I hv bought a 250k bond that paid 5%.   Then the industry faced a crisis n bond price dropped to now worth half I choose to sell it.   Bonds are so illiquid that u hv no choice but to accept restructuring n dragged out tenure.   If the company goes belly up sure can get something back ... pennys on the dollar.   In a sense there is also concentration risks.   U buy when things seem fine but when it comes down to get out there is really no market to sell into, unless u want to take a loss. in contrast, those reits I hold are very liquid n getting in n out is not a problem.   As Long as a reit is a good quality n well run one the likes of Ascendas, the mapletrees, n continue to grow over time, short term volatility is not an issue.   Of course I am talking about holding them for years.
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chengwh1 Elite	01-Nov-2020 13:35        chengwh1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes, I do have bonds and bond funds too,... SGD250k and USD200k for SGD-denom and USD-denom ones respectively. But my experience says when the mkts drop, bond prces drop in tandem too, though not as much as the REITs. And,.... most noticeably was,.... if I have invested the 250k SGDs per bond into my REITs,.... I would have made more returns because my REITs have risen a lot more in prices compared to my bonds. I do understand and accept,... of course : bond prices will not appreciate much. I think,.... it all goes back to which REIT we choose to be with,... ' cos you are right too in this statement : REITS, may not return to the levels at which we bought. DYODD St.Maximus      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 11:28) Posted: Sure, there is no holy grail. But if you want stable income, go for bonds. They also get paid first in any interest payments and company wind ups. Corporate debt may fall, but as longas they do not go into default, it will go back to original face value. REITS, may not return to the levels at which we bought. DYODD cucina      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 11:19) Posted: Bonds are not the holy grail.   Corporate debt may be the next thing to fall.   Sovereign debt pays far too little.
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chengwh1 Elite	01-Nov-2020 13:23        chengwh1 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I Removed a post earlier and replaced with this one, by omitting the link of a graph on the max recorded price movements of A17U. This link throws out the width of this writing panel ridiculously. Following was what I wrote earlier :- Tq bro,... If you are comparing against the ones who bought high, near to 3.54, then yes, certainly we are fortunate. But 3.54 is the All-Time High. Many transactions were done at prices betw 2.00 and 2.50. For a resonable safety margin, it would be best for investors to enter within this range or at even earlier prices,... Yes, there is no rush,... but as investors, for my personal circumstances, I would want to have best prices for highest safety margin. St.Maximus      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 05:33) Posted: In fact late buying is now an advantage. All the best to late buyers. There is really no rush to enter this market. Otherwise there is another stampede and then risks another one in the opposite direction... chengwh1      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 00:30) Posted: Tks bro,.. We are ' late-buyers' , I would call us this. Many investors caught this counter early,... and for those who are still staying put at their early prices would stand advantageous compared to us. I can see the contrast of this with other shares for which I am an ' early-buyer' .  At portfolio level (for only SGX-listed stocks),... I am now at 27.98% green, for recording purposes. Following are earlier records :- 1) On 1.10.20 : 34.65%. 2) On 27.10.20 : 30.10%
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St.Maximus Supreme	01-Nov-2020 11:28        St.Maximus About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Sure, there is no holy grail. But if you want stable income, go for bonds. They also get paid first in any interest payments and company wind ups. Corporate debt may fall, but as longas they do not go into default, it will go back to original face value. REITS, may not return to the levels at which we bought. DYODD cucina      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 11:19) Posted: Bonds are not the holy grail.   Corporate debt may be the next thing to fall.   Sovereign debt pays far too little.   St.Maximus      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 10:51) Posted: I advise you to buy bonds instead for income because these are fixed.  Reits dividends are not fixed and can vary widely.
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cucina Master	01-Nov-2020 11:19        cucina About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bonds are not the holy grail.   Corporate debt may be the next thing to fall.   Sovereign debt pays far too little.   St.Maximus      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 10:51) Posted: I advise you to buy bonds instead for income because these are fixed.  Reits dividends are not fixed and can vary widely.   cucina      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 10:38) Posted: We buy reits for income n if price drops to a delicious level where the yield is way more than 5% investors of all stripes will flood in.   Rebuilding my core reits position n bought at 3.04 n then 2.90.   If it drops to next support 2.81 will b buying more.   No need to look at reits on a daily basis.
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St.Maximus Supreme	01-Nov-2020 10:51        St.Maximus About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I advise you to buy bonds instead for income because these are fixed.  Reits dividends are not fixed and can vary widely.   cucina      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 10:38) Posted: We buy reits for income n if price drops to a delicious level where the yield is way more than 5% investors of all stripes will flood in.   Rebuilding my core reits position n bought at 3.04 n then 2.90.   If it drops to next support 2.81 will b buying more.   No need to look at reits on a daily basis.     St.Maximus      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 08:56) Posted: They can afford at any price and still thrive. Not us though..
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cucina Master	01-Nov-2020 10:38        cucina About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	We buy reits for income n if price drops to a delicious level where the yield is way more than 5% investors of all stripes will flood in.   Rebuilding my core reits position n bought at 3.04 n then 2.90.   If it drops to next support 2.81 will b buying more.   No need to look at reits on a daily basis.     St.Maximus      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 08:56) Posted: They can afford at any price and still thrive. Not us though... cucina      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 08:39) Posted: Temasek bought 500k lots at 3.04 on 29 Oct per announcement on SGX.
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St.Maximus Supreme	01-Nov-2020 08:56        St.Maximus About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	They can afford at any price and still thrive. Not us though... cucina      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 08:39) Posted: Temasek bought 500k lots at 3.04 on 29 Oct per announcement on SGX.
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cucina Master	01-Nov-2020 08:39        cucina About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Temasek bought 500k lots at 3.04 on 29 Oct per announcement on SGX.
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St.Maximus Supreme	01-Nov-2020 05:33        St.Maximus About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	In fact late buying is now an advantage. All the best to late buyers. There is really no rush to enter this market. Otherwise there is another stampede and then risks another one in the opposite direction... chengwh1      ( Date: 01-Nov-2020 00:30) Posted: Tks bro,.. We are ' late-buyers' , I would call us this. Many investors caught this counter early,... and for those who are still staying put at their early prices would stand advantageous compared to us. I can see the contrast of this with other shares for which I am an ' early-buyer' .  At portfolio level (for only SGX-listed stocks),... I am now at 27.98% green, for recording purposes. Following are earlier records :- 1) On 1.10.20 : 34.65%. 2) On 27.10.20 : 30.10%. sinisteral      ( Date: 30-Oct-2020 11:24) Posted: I' m not far from you at 3.18. Got some small lots at 3.07 as well. But in the horizon I' m sure it' ll get back up.
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