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tritonyeah666 Elite	05-Oct-2018 22:25        tritonyeah666 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The price says it all.
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Qanghoo Supreme	05-Oct-2018 17:19        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	No, the workers were still all around putting the final touches.  Goldfinger      ( Date: 05-Oct-2018 17:17) Posted: Oh - were you able to go into the building itself?  I must try that. So far, all the time, the barriers were around the building. Qanghoo      ( Date: 05-Oct-2018 17:06) Posted: I saw R18 yesterday for the first time yesterday (don' t know when it was undressed).  Pretty impressive to me.
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Goldfinger Supreme	05-Oct-2018 17:17        Goldfinger About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Oh - were you able to go into the building itself?  I must try that. So far, all the time, the barriers were around the building. Qanghoo      ( Date: 05-Oct-2018 17:06) Posted: I saw R18 yesterday for the first time yesterday (don' t know when it was undressed).  Pretty impressive to me.  Goldfinger      ( Date: 28-Sep-2018 17:43) Posted: Thanks.  I don' t know anything about share prices really. Only the Heavens know. But, I think its in pretty okay shape, and Robinson 18 is almost completed. There are trees now planted on the upper floors.  As good as it gets.  Frankly, at one stage I thought they ran into some terrible construction problems due to the small size of the site and use of new technology for the basement.  Glad to see it being finished
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Qanghoo Supreme	05-Oct-2018 17:06        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I saw R18 yesterday for the first time yesterday (don' t know when it was undressed).  Pretty impressive to me.  Goldfinger      ( Date: 28-Sep-2018 17:43) Posted: Thanks.  I don' t know anything about share prices really. Only the Heavens know. But, I think its in pretty okay shape, and Robinson 18 is almost completed. There are trees now planted on the upper floors.  As good as it gets.  Frankly, at one stage I thought they ran into some terrible construction problems due to the small size of the site and use of new technology for the basement.  Glad to see it being finished. Qanghoo      ( Date: 28-Sep-2018 17:37) Posted: N by the way, since u quoted Sembmar, SMM is loss making, TS is profitable.  SMM' s longterm liabilities is 2.9 bil, TS' is 0.6 bil.  Longterm asset over LTL for SMM is abt 1.7x whereas for TS it' s abt 3x.  So, why is TS so negative in outlook compared to SMM?  N by the way, just a correction.  Mr GoldFinger was merely giving his view abt the rupiah being an added advantage for TS.  There was no reference to share px in his post u quoted.
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Qanghoo Supreme	30-Sep-2018 19:09        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If it' s ur view say so.  Don' t start a post by saying as if so arrogantly that Mr so n so is wrong, quoting balloning debt, china risks, etc when the china investment is so small n the LTL is so much dwarfed by some other flying counters where rising interest rates are likely to have a substantially higher impact.  tritonyeah666      ( Date: 30-Sep-2018 18:09) Posted: Just my view - anyway all will be unveiled soon by year end.
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tritonyeah666 Elite	30-Sep-2018 18:09        tritonyeah666 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Just my view - anyway all will be unveiled soon by year end.
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Qanghoo Supreme	28-Sep-2018 20:52        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	So, Mr mkt is always right  Have heard abt the other side of the coin?  Does the mkt really know?  Last yr, there was so much negative rumours surrounding DBS before it' s Q416 results.  But as it turned out, the bk did OK.  The CEO said at the result briefing abt the regatives swirling ... If I' m kind, I say they are ignorant (so mr mkt always right?) if I' m not, I say they have an axe to grind.  So, I' m always circumspect.  N why shd TS be range bound at 42c.  What u opined is very subhective indeed.  Qanghoo      ( Date: 28-Sep-2018 20:47) Posted: So, SMM with it' s huge huge debt is far better?  Mkt is irrational a lot of times n there is always the BB factor.  KC itself has been pressed down for well over a mth so has City Dev, two of the most wellknown coys in sg.  tritonyeah666      ( Date: 28-Sep-2018 20:39) Posted: Well, im just stating Mr Market is currently not favouring TS that much this year as can be seen in the low volume and downward trajectory post Feb-18. And the price is always reflecting the truth. If its so good, and 18 Robinson is its so called ' holy grail' - how come the stock didnt move much? I will presume everything has already been priced in back at its ascent from 0.28 to 0.42 and now with interest rates being hiked up this has now been revalued by mr market to be 0.39-0.395 which is its current market value.
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Qanghoo Supreme	28-Sep-2018 20:47        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	So, SMM with it' s huge huge debt is far better?  Mkt is irrational a lot of times n there is always the BB factor.  KC itself has been pressed down for well over a mth so has City Dev, two of the most wellknown coys in sg.  tritonyeah666      ( Date: 28-Sep-2018 20:39) Posted: Well, im just stating Mr Market is currently not favouring TS that much this year as can be seen in the low volume and downward trajectory post Feb-18. And the price is always reflecting the truth. If its so good, and 18 Robinson is its so called ' holy grail' - how come the stock didnt move much? I will presume everything has already been priced in back at its ascent from 0.28 to 0.42 and now with interest rates being hiked up this has now been revalued by mr market to be 0.39-0.395 which is its current market value.
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Goldfinger Supreme	28-Sep-2018 20:44        Goldfinger About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	My personal view and just speculating - I saw the exact price behaviour at 28-29cents. Everyday pushed back to the bid and ended red. No one dared to buy the sell. Range bound for months. Really weird. And I personally think it was price suppression and for accumulation. Anyway who knows. Only the Heavens. tritonyeah666      ( Date: 28-Sep-2018 20:39) Posted: Well, im just stating Mr Market is currently not favouring TS that much this year as can be seen in the low volume and downward trajectory post Feb-18. And the price is always reflecting the truth. If its so good, and 18 Robinson is its so called ' holy grail' - how come the stock didnt move much? I will presume everything has already been priced in back at its ascent from 0.28 to 0.42 and now with interest rates being hiked up this has now been revalued by mr market to be 0.39-0.395 which is its current market value.
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tritonyeah666 Elite	28-Sep-2018 20:39        tritonyeah666 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Well, im just stating Mr Market is currently not favouring TS that much this year as can be seen in the low volume and downward trajectory post Feb-18. And the price is always reflecting the truth. If its so good, and 18 Robinson is its so called ' holy grail' - how come the stock didnt move much? I will presume everything has already been priced in back at its ascent from 0.28 to 0.42 and now with interest rates being hiked up this has now been revalued by mr market to be 0.39-0.395 which is its current market value.
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Qanghoo Supreme	28-Sep-2018 20:21        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I do hope that before we start posting, commenting n offering views (some even offer advice - don' t know what kopi licence to do so), we get our facts checked n perspectives thought n reasoned  out.  I  am seeing so much fear n rumour mongering  which just don' t stand up to scrutiny.  Goldfinger      ( Date: 28-Sep-2018 17:46) Posted: To put things into perspective - they are only investing $15million into Hainan, and they are not building only taking a stake.  Its really very small compared to their balance sheet.  I am more excited about their Batam project.  Its the size of a mid-sized township - and they can really build this into a mega project over time - and so accessible to Singapore.  Go take a look at the project design in their presentation - you would be impressed too, tritonyeah666      ( Date: 28-Sep-2018 10:50) Posted: Goldfinger - i think you are wrong, for the past year Tuan Sing stock price has not gained back the highs of Feb 2018. With a balloning debt of 1.4 billion and rising interest rates, and now going into a china property market which is in decline, i doubt Tuan Sing will be able to even breach 0.45 post 18 robinson top. In fact its gonna be stuck between 0.38-0.42 for next 2 years.
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Goldfinger Supreme	28-Sep-2018 17:46        Goldfinger About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 1   x 0  Alert Admin	To put things into perspective - they are only investing $15million into Hainan, and they are not building only taking a stake.  Its really very small compared to their balance sheet.  I am more excited about their Batam project.  Its the size of a mid-sized township - and they can really build this into a mega project over time - and so accessible to Singapore.  Go take a look at the project design in their presentation - you would be impressed too, tritonyeah666      ( Date: 28-Sep-2018 10:50) Posted: Goldfinger - i think you are wrong, for the past year Tuan Sing stock price has not gained back the highs of Feb 2018. With a balloning debt of 1.4 billion and rising interest rates, and now going into a china property market which is in decline, i doubt Tuan Sing will be able to even breach 0.45 post 18 robinson top. In fact its gonna be stuck between 0.38-0.42 for next 2 years.
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Goldfinger Supreme	28-Sep-2018 17:43        Goldfinger About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Thanks.  I don' t know anything about share prices really. Only the Heavens know. But, I think its in pretty okay shape, and Robinson 18 is almost completed. There are trees now planted on the upper floors.  As good as it gets.  Frankly, at one stage I thought they ran into some terrible construction problems due to the small size of the site and use of new technology for the basement.  Glad to see it being finished. Qanghoo      ( Date: 28-Sep-2018 17:37) Posted: N by the way, since u quoted Sembmar, SMM is loss making, TS is profitable.  SMM' s longterm liabilities is 2.9 bil, TS' is 0.6 bil.  Longterm asset over LTL for SMM is abt 1.7x whereas for TS it' s abt 3x.  So, why is TS so negative in outlook compared to SMM?  N by the way, just a correction.  Mr GoldFinger was merely giving his view abt the rupiah being an added advantage for TS.  There was no reference to share px in his post u quoted.  tritonyeah666      ( Date: 28-Sep-2018 17:09) Posted: I didnt say that, i' m just saying that Tuan Sing will be stuck rangebound for a very long time. For that time period, putting your money into other counters like Venture or Sembmar etc could give you better returns for your money.
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Qanghoo Supreme	28-Sep-2018 17:37        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	N by the way, since u quoted Sembmar, SMM is loss making, TS is profitable.  SMM' s longterm liabilities is 2.9 bil, TS' is 0.6 bil.  Longterm asset over LTL for SMM is abt 1.7x whereas for TS it' s abt 3x.  So, why is TS so negative in outlook compared to SMM?  N by the way, just a correction.  Mr GoldFinger was merely giving his view abt the rupiah being an added advantage for TS.  There was no reference to share px in his post u quoted.  tritonyeah666      ( Date: 28-Sep-2018 17:09) Posted: I didnt say that, i' m just saying that Tuan Sing will be stuck rangebound for a very long time. For that time period, putting your money into other counters like Venture or Sembmar etc could give you better returns for your money.
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Qanghoo Supreme	28-Sep-2018 17:15        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	px must be tied to risks among other thins, right?  In this case, the implication seems to be that.  Otherwise, why wld it be range bound vis-a-vis other counters?  tritonyeah666      ( Date: 28-Sep-2018 17:09) Posted: I didnt say that, i' m just saying that Tuan Sing will be stuck rangebound for a very long time. For that time period, putting your money into other counters like Venture or Sembmar etc could give you better returns for your money.
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tritonyeah666 Elite	28-Sep-2018 17:09        tritonyeah666 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I didnt say that, i' m just saying that Tuan Sing will be stuck rangebound for a very long time. For that time period, putting your money into other counters like Venture or Sembmar etc could give you better returns for your money.
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Qanghoo Supreme	28-Sep-2018 14:50        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	So, all go into business deals in china very high risk? tritonyeah666      ( Date: 28-Sep-2018 10:50) Posted: Goldfinger - i think you are wrong, for the past year Tuan Sing stock price has not gained back the highs of Feb 2018. With a balloning debt of 1.4 billion and rising interest rates, and now going into a china property market which is in decline, i doubt Tuan Sing will be able to even breach 0.45 post 18 robinson top. In fact its gonna be stuck between 0.38-0.42 for next 2 years.
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tritonyeah666 Elite	28-Sep-2018 10:50        tritonyeah666 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Goldfinger - i think you are wrong, for the past year Tuan Sing stock price has not gained back the highs of Feb 2018. With a balloning debt of 1.4 billion and rising interest rates, and now going into a china property market which is in decline, i doubt Tuan Sing will be able to even breach 0.45 post 18 robinson top. In fact its gonna be stuck between 0.38-0.42 for next 2 years.
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Goldfinger Supreme	28-Sep-2018 07:31        Goldfinger About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	The plunging Indon Rupiah will make it cheaper for TS to build and invest in their Batam Mega project. And for Sinkies to invest. Sweet!
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Goldfinger Supreme	24-Sep-2018 20:36        Goldfinger About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Actually like their Batam project - retirement plus medical concept is a good sell to Sinkies sick and tired of the ultra high cost of living in SG and the small cramped spaces. Govt doesn?t seem to care about private home dwellers either. Qanghoo      ( Date: 24-Sep-2018 19:34) Posted: If u compare TS n Ox, Ox has probably taken more risks (although I have been one who always salute fat Ching n I still do, but not vested in Ox at the moment).  TS is slowly opening up.  But I think they have the acuement to manage their risks.  Actually my biggest reservation is their Batam project.  I think that one needs to be really expertly excuted.  China while there are risks, the pace of development of Hainan going forward wld help.  To be very cynical though I' d add that managing the PRC partner is equally important. Hyflux' s main problem has to do a lot with the problem of the spore elect mkt.  Even giants like SCI had flagged the challenges .... Goldfinger      ( Date: 24-Sep-2018 19:01) Posted: Oops sorry, meant " BIG" news.  I think it is positive that they are expanding outwards into higher growth markets and economies like Indonesia and China, compared to sticking in SG and slugging it out with other developers.  Also, I like the scale that these are like mega projects, compared to little boutique condos in SG like they did in the past.  TS is now entering a bigger league, and their quality in past projects should put them in good stead as a quality developer. Hyflux is different - its big infrastructure plays with less demand for its assets. Also people are now squeezing them dry. In contrast, Asians will always always want to acquire land and property for their next generation. It is in our DNA.  Stupid as much as it sounds - since we should learn to enjoy life in the present (like the angmoh) instead of worrying about the Next Gen
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