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KAMAL0883 Supreme	19-Feb-2018 17:25        KAMAL0883 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	just curious who is selling at such a huge discount price vs the FV of $1,00 ? very short of cash ? or the seller is from H and the buyer also from H ( some from retaillers ) to create panic  edchai      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 17:14) Posted: Good profit if buy at current price when the company redeems it.  Risk vs gain. Anyone ?
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tonylim Master	19-Feb-2018 17:16        tonylim About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hyflux is subjected  to price control due to  social responsibility  edchai      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 17:14) Posted: Good profit if buy at current price when the company redeems it.  Risk vs gain. Anyone ?
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edchai Veteran	19-Feb-2018 17:14        edchai About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Good profit if buy at current price when the company redeems it.  Risk vs gain. Anyone ?
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lionhill Veteran	19-Feb-2018 15:13        lionhill About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	do you mean even if Hyflux sells Tuas Spring, she aslo cannot redeem the preference shares as only 95m can be gotten from it? ehclim      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 14:20) Posted: Yes, the figures you had stated are correct. CPS is not under debt but under equities. It is preference shares. angmohlin      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 14:13) Posted: Can' t remembered but definitely from Hyflux' s quarterly report or annual report
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ehclim Elite	19-Feb-2018 14:22        ehclim About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Moreover, Hyflux needs not have to redeem the $400m CPS in 25 April 2018 but they need to step up the interest to 8%. ehclim      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 14:20) Posted: Yes, the figures you had stated are correct. CPS is not under debt but under equities. It is preference shares. angmohlin      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 14:13) Posted: Can' t remembered but definitely from Hyflux' s quarterly report or annual report
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ehclim Elite	19-Feb-2018 14:20        ehclim About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes, the figures you had stated are correct. CPS is not under debt but under equities. It is preference shares. angmohlin      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 14:13) Posted: Can' t remembered but definitely from Hyflux' s quarterly report or annual report. lionhill      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 12:32) Posted: Hi, where do you get the data below " Debt payable in 1 yr or less - 230.880m  " Debt after 1 yr - 433.648m secured, 730.809m unsecured.  Cash & equivalents as of 30 Sept 17  amounting to  $230.287m  (includes restricted cash of 70m). If the disposal of factory at Tuas is successful then  Hyflux  will receive cash of 95m." According to  http://www.straitstimes.com/business/can-hyflux-retire-its-preference-shares-before-they-get-dearer senior notes maturing in 2018 is 100m, and in 2019 is 265m. and the book value of 70% of Tuas Spring is 1.3b, how come hyflux can only get 95m if it is sold? th
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angmohlin Veteran	19-Feb-2018 14:13        angmohlin About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Can' t remembered but definitely from Hyflux' s quarterly report or annual report. lionhill      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 12:32) Posted: Hi, where do you get the data below " Debt payable in 1 yr or less - 230.880m  " Debt after 1 yr - 433.648m secured, 730.809m unsecured.  Cash & equivalents as of 30 Sept 17  amounting to  $230.287m  (includes restricted cash of 70m). If the disposal of factory at Tuas is successful then  Hyflux  will receive cash of 95m." According to  http://www.straitstimes.com/business/can-hyflux-retire-its-preference-shares-before-they-get-dearer senior notes maturing in 2018 is 100m, and in 2019 is 265m. and the book value of 70% of Tuas Spring is 1.3b, how come hyflux can only get 95m if it is sold? thx angmohlin      ( Date: 15-Feb-2018 13:17) Posted: As mentioned before: Cumulative Preference Share total issued 400m  shares. Perpetual Capital Securities total issued 500m  shares. The above have caused Hyflux to pay interest payments of 54m per year.  Needless to say other interest payments for the borrowings from banks as well as the losses of 20+m every quarter from the Tuaspring IWPP project. Debt payable in 1 yr or less - 230.880m Debt after 1 yr - 433.648m secured, 730.809m unsecured. Cash & equivalents as of 30 Sept 17 amounting to $230.287m (includes restricted cash of 70m). If the disposal of factory at Tuas is successful then Hyflux will receive cash of 95m. I don' t think Hyflux got money comfortably to redeem the 400m of CPS if the divestment of Tuaspring IWPP and Tianjin Dagang Desalination plant are failed. They need to borrow money from banks to redeem the CPS (not easy due to bad shape of financial status) or else they have to pay 8% interest for CPS per year. All in all, Hyflux is heavily in debt situation  and therefore they need to clear the mystery of ability as a going concern.   Hyflux also have to wait & see whether Hydrochem able to collect payment of USD 23,115,779.01 from SEPCOIII of Oman and/or whether SEPCOIII want to appeal or not. So far no news on the collection. Am I right to say that the share price continues declining is an indicating or implying the shareholders have lose confidence  in the future of company business, the ability and capability of the board of directors as well as the management.  ​ That is why I wrote in to request for a qualified opinon from the Board of Directors to address the matter of Hyflux' s ability to continue as a going concern.
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yellowveggiez Member	19-Feb-2018 13:18        yellowveggiez About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	they will save almost 25% if they buyback. that' s alot of money...  KAMAL0883      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 11:13) Posted: when they collected enough ...... not too sure whether they press it down then pick up from open market so as to save millions dollars for bond call back how come SGX nvr querry for the sharp drop ? yellowveggiez      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 11:04) Posted: why don' t hyflux buyback off the market? they will save alot of money.
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lionhill Veteran	19-Feb-2018 12:32        lionhill About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hi, where do you get the data below " Debt payable in 1 yr or less - 230.880m  " Debt after 1 yr - 433.648m secured, 730.809m unsecured.  Cash & equivalents as of 30 Sept 17  amounting to  $230.287m  (includes restricted cash of 70m). If the disposal of factory at Tuas is successful then  Hyflux  will receive cash of 95m." According to  http://www.straitstimes.com/business/can-hyflux-retire-its-preference-shares-before-they-get-dearer senior notes maturing in 2018 is 100m, and in 2019 is 265m. and the book value of 70% of Tuas Spring is 1.3b, how come hyflux can only get 95m if it is sold? thx angmohlin      ( Date: 15-Feb-2018 13:17) Posted: As mentioned before: Cumulative Preference Share total issued 400m  shares. Perpetual Capital Securities total issued 500m  shares. The above have caused Hyflux to pay interest payments of 54m per year.  Needless to say other interest payments for the borrowings from banks as well as the losses of 20+m every quarter from the Tuaspring IWPP project. Debt payable in 1 yr or less - 230.880m Debt after 1 yr - 433.648m secured, 730.809m unsecured. Cash & equivalents as of 30 Sept 17 amounting to $230.287m (includes restricted cash of 70m). If the disposal of factory at Tuas is successful then Hyflux will receive cash of 95m. I don' t think Hyflux got money comfortably to redeem the 400m of CPS if the divestment of Tuaspring IWPP and Tianjin Dagang Desalination plant are failed. They need to borrow money from banks to redeem the CPS (not easy due to bad shape of financial status) or else they have to pay 8% interest for CPS per year. All in all, Hyflux is heavily in debt situation  and therefore they need to clear the mystery of ability as a going concern.   Hyflux also have to wait & see whether Hydrochem able to collect payment of USD 23,115,779.01 from SEPCOIII of Oman and/or whether SEPCOIII want to appeal or not. So far no news on the collection. Am I right to say that the share price continues declining is an indicating or implying the shareholders have lose confidence  in the future of company business, the ability and capability of the board of directors as well as the management.  ​ That is why I wrote in to request for a qualified opinon from the Board of Directors to address the matter of Hyflux' s ability to continue as a going concern.
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angmohlin Veteran	19-Feb-2018 11:34        angmohlin About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	SIAS also sleeping. They where got look after retailers' interest. angmohlin      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 11:30) Posted: I did wrote in to the relationship manager to request the Directors issue a qualified opinion pertaining to the matter of Hyflux' s ability to continue as a going concern but received no response on this request. Perhaps needs more people to file request to Hyflux.  angmohlin      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 11:24) Posted: SGX never querry because nobody make noise to SGX as they are always sleeping
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angmohlin Veteran	19-Feb-2018 11:30        angmohlin About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I did wrote in to the relationship manager to request the Directors issue a qualified opinion pertaining to the matter of Hyflux' s ability to continue as a going concern but received no response on this request. Perhaps needs more people to file request to Hyflux.  angmohlin      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 11:24) Posted: SGX never querry because nobody make noise to SGX as they are always sleeping. KAMAL0883      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 11:13) Posted: when they collected enough ...... not too sure whether they press it down then pick up from open market so as to save millions dollars for bond call back how come SGX nvr querry for the sharp drop
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angmohlin Veteran	19-Feb-2018 11:24        angmohlin About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	SGX never querry because nobody make noise to SGX as they are always sleeping. KAMAL0883      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 11:13) Posted: when they collected enough ...... not too sure whether they press it down then pick up from open market so as to save millions dollars for bond call back how come SGX nvr querry for the sharp drop ? yellowveggiez      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 11:04) Posted: why don' t hyflux buyback off the market? they will save alot of money.
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KAMAL0883 Supreme	19-Feb-2018 11:13        KAMAL0883 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	when they collected enough ...... not too sure whether they press it down then pick up from open market so as to save millions dollars for bond call back how come SGX nvr querry for the sharp drop ? yellowveggiez      ( Date: 19-Feb-2018 11:04) Posted: why don' t hyflux buyback off the market? they will save alot of money.
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yellowveggiez Member	19-Feb-2018 11:04        yellowveggiez About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	why don' t hyflux buyback off the market? they will save alot of money.
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yellowveggiez Member	19-Feb-2018 11:02        yellowveggiez About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	they have to borrow money to pay back, or if cannot, kick the can down the road if default then gone case
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john_ric Supreme	19-Feb-2018 10:24        john_ric About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	all hyflux pref bonds are dying. . bad.
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samudra Veteran	18-Feb-2018 08:36        samudra About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	every perference share lost $18, look like fighting an up hill battle
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dspatrick Member	17-Feb-2018 08:15        dspatrick About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	You can read what Straits Times said about Hyflux' s 6% preference share by clicking -->   http://www.straitstimes.com/business/can-hyflux-retire-its-preference-shares-before-they-get-dearer I do not understand why still not respond from Ms Oliver Lum for many days, Did she read the Straits Times ?
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ysh2006 Supreme	16-Feb-2018 07:20        ysh2006 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Ms Oliver Lum herself use own money buy all shop shares don"t need underwritter lah...Hyflux also have GLC support in all front if no money Singapore banks will continue support unlike Noble they unplug the sink... angmohlin      ( Date: 15-Feb-2018 13:17) Posted: As mentioned before: Cumulative Preference Share total issued 400m  shares. Perpetual Capital Securities total issued 500m  shares. The above have caused Hyflux to pay interest payments of 54m per year.  Needless to say other interest payments for the borrowings from banks as well as the losses of 20+m every quarter from the Tuaspring IWPP project. Debt payable in 1 yr or less - 230.880m Debt after 1 yr - 433.648m secured, 730.809m unsecured. Cash & equivalents as of 30 Sept 17 amounting to $230.287m (includes restricted cash of 70m). If the disposal of factory at Tuas is successful then Hyflux will receive cash of 95m. I don' t think Hyflux got money comfortably to redeem the 400m of CPS if the divestment of Tuaspring IWPP and Tianjin Dagang Desalination plant are failed. They need to borrow money from banks to redeem the CPS (not easy due to bad shape of financial status) or else they have to pay 8% interest for CPS per year. All in all, Hyflux is heavily in debt situation  and therefore they need to clear the mystery of ability as a going concern.   Hyflux also have to wait & see whether Hydrochem able to collect payment of USD 23,115,779.01 from SEPCOIII of Oman and/or whether SEPCOIII want to appeal or not. So far no news on the collection. Am I right to say that the share price continues declining is an indicating or implying the shareholders have lose confidence  in the future of company business, the ability and capability of the board of directors as well as the management.  ​ That is why I wrote in to request for a qualified opinon from the Board of Directors to address the matter of Hyflux' s ability to continue as a going concern.
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angmohlin Veteran	15-Feb-2018 13:17        angmohlin About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	As mentioned before: Cumulative Preference Share total issued 400m  shares. Perpetual Capital Securities total issued 500m  shares. The above have caused Hyflux to pay interest payments of 54m per year.  Needless to say other interest payments for the borrowings from banks as well as the losses of 20+m every quarter from the Tuaspring IWPP project. Debt payable in 1 yr or less - 230.880m Debt after 1 yr - 433.648m secured, 730.809m unsecured. Cash & equivalents as of 30 Sept 17 amounting to $230.287m (includes restricted cash of 70m). If the disposal of factory at Tuas is successful then Hyflux will receive cash of 95m. I don' t think Hyflux got money comfortably to redeem the 400m of CPS if the divestment of Tuaspring IWPP and Tianjin Dagang Desalination plant are failed. They need to borrow money from banks to redeem the CPS (not easy due to bad shape of financial status) or else they have to pay 8% interest for CPS per year. All in all, Hyflux is heavily in debt situation  and therefore they need to clear the mystery of ability as a going concern.   Hyflux also have to wait & see whether Hydrochem able to collect payment of USD 23,115,779.01 from SEPCOIII of Oman and/or whether SEPCOIII want to appeal or not. So far no news on the collection. Am I right to say that the share price continues declining is an indicating or implying the shareholders have lose confidence  in the future of company business, the ability and capability of the board of directors as well as the management.  ​ That is why I wrote in to request for a qualified opinon from the Board of Directors to address the matter of Hyflux' s ability to continue as a going concern.
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