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Intercept Veteran	10-Feb-2015 22:19        Intercept About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Otto in recent qtrs if I can remember correctly has been rather inconsistent with its results. One qtr green, next qtr red. But for Vallianz, it has consistently reported stronger results for many qtrs and in its 3rd qtr results announcement, the outlook para is positive. I deem it very unlikely that results would be bad. More imptly we should pay attention to its outlook para. wendycheong81      ( Date: 10-Feb-2015 20:47) Posted: otto marine profit warning when they got so many contracts. Intercept      ( Date: 10-Feb-2015 18:53) Posted: I do not think results are bad or else they would have issued profit warning. I think results will be good. If we look at the others in the same industry like Otto and Charisma, the whole lot of them have been facing weak prices too as a result of oil price fall. Even big one like Ezion, look at the price. Of course, as a small fish, I do not have perfect info n have to base my judgement on what co has announced on past results n forward looking para in its FS. etc. DYODD
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nqing87 Supreme	10-Feb-2015 21:08        nqing87 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	otto marine got shipbuilding besides chartering.. chartering of assets is the one that has good profit margin.. their shipbuilding segment doesnt have a good track record of getting high profit margin, and it doesnt give them good margin at all.. as mentioned in their profit warning, there' s cost over-run in constructing a vessel..   they have been relying on their chartering segment to give them profit, but this time round seems like they didnt do well in chartering as well..  wendycheong81      ( Date: 10-Feb-2015 20:47) Posted: otto marine profit warning when they got so many contracts. Intercept      ( Date: 10-Feb-2015 18:53) Posted: I do not think results are bad or else they would have issued profit warning. I think results will be good. If we look at the others in the same industry like Otto and Charisma, the whole lot of them have been facing weak prices too as a result of oil price fall. Even big one like Ezion, look at the price. Of course, as a small fish, I do not have perfect info n have to base my judgement on what co has announced on past results n forward looking para in its FS. etc. DYODD
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wendycheong81 Veteran	10-Feb-2015 20:50        wendycheong81 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	yes indeed I also find it strange why no announcement yet. I think might be becoz change of ceo thats why need more time to ensure everything is in place before any announcement nqing87      ( Date: 10-Feb-2015 20:11) Posted: i think results will be good and will not be surprise if get a record high revenue again.. i will be more interested in their profit margin.. but good results or not, all depends on BB to push price.. NAV was 7+cents base on previous quarter results, and p/e ratio around 5+.. dunno if should load a bit or not at 6.6c support.. usually they will announce the date of results release.. so kinda weird why they had not released this announcement yet.. so, they may not release on the feb 13th..  Intercept      ( Date: 10-Feb-2015 18:53) Posted: I do not think results are bad or else they would have issued profit warning. I think results will be good. If we look at the others in the same industry like Otto and Charisma, the whole lot of them have been facing weak prices too as a result of oil price fall. Even big one like Ezion, look at the price. Of course, as a small fish, I do not have perfect info n have to base my judgement on what co has announced on past results n forward looking para in its FS. etc. DYODD
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wendycheong81 Veteran	10-Feb-2015 20:47        wendycheong81 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	otto marine profit warning when they got so many contracts. Intercept      ( Date: 10-Feb-2015 18:53) Posted: I do not think results are bad or else they would have issued profit warning. I think results will be good. If we look at the others in the same industry like Otto and Charisma, the whole lot of them have been facing weak prices too as a result of oil price fall. Even big one like Ezion, look at the price. Of course, as a small fish, I do not have perfect info n have to base my judgement on what co has announced on past results n forward looking para in its FS. etc. DYODD
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nqing87 Supreme	10-Feb-2015 20:11        nqing87 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	i think results will be good and will not be surprise if get a record high revenue again.. i will be more interested in their profit margin.. but good results or not, all depends on BB to push price.. NAV was 7+cents base on previous quarter results, and p/e ratio around 5+.. dunno if should load a bit or not at 6.6c support.. usually they will announce the date of results release.. so kinda weird why they had not released this announcement yet.. so, they may not release on the feb 13th..  Intercept      ( Date: 10-Feb-2015 18:53) Posted: I do not think results are bad or else they would have issued profit warning. I think results will be good. If we look at the others in the same industry like Otto and Charisma, the whole lot of them have been facing weak prices too as a result of oil price fall. Even big one like Ezion, look at the price. Of course, as a small fish, I do not have perfect info n have to base my judgement on what co has announced on past results n forward looking para in its FS. etc. DYODD
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Intercept Veteran	10-Feb-2015 19:05        Intercept About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Last year was 13 Feb. so should be announce results very soon. bernkuah      ( Date: 10-Feb-2015 16:21) Posted: Do you know when is result expected to be released?
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Intercept Veteran	10-Feb-2015 18:53        Intercept About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I do not think results are bad or else they would have issued profit warning. I think results will be good. If we look at the others in the same industry like Otto and Charisma, the whole lot of them have been facing weak prices too as a result of oil price fall. Even big one like Ezion, look at the price. Of course, as a small fish, I do not have perfect info n have to base my judgement on what co has announced on past results n forward looking para in its FS. etc. DYODD
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wendycheong81 Veteran	10-Feb-2015 16:38        wendycheong81 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	did anyone notice tge automated sell of 240 lot at 65 wendycheong81      ( Date: 10-Feb-2015 16:24) Posted: not too sure. one thing for sure that it will nt perform magic like 2013 to hit 0.2. high debt n nt getting as much contract n will oil price going down it makes it worst. unless they get a super big contract bernkuah      ( Date: 10-Feb-2015 16:21) Posted: Do you know when is result expected to be released?
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wendycheong81 Veteran	10-Feb-2015 16:24        wendycheong81 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	not too sure. one thing for sure that it will nt perform magic like 2013 to hit 0.2. high debt n nt getting as much contract n will oil price going down it makes it worst. unless they get a super big contract bernkuah      ( Date: 10-Feb-2015 16:21) Posted: Do you know when is result expected to be released?
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bernkuah Member	10-Feb-2015 16:21        bernkuah About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Do you know when is result expected to be released?
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wendycheong81 Veteran	10-Feb-2015 16:19        wendycheong81 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	seems like results going to be bad coz every day drip a few bids RedEye1811      ( Date: 09-Feb-2015 13:00) Posted: WC81...your view same as mine...penny stock and even mid-cap stocks are in the main toxic in SG at moment...even when penny stocks or mid caps have come out with good results the price has continued to fall....only area making any money is the large caps and STI stocks...and even then not much to make there....though if you find a stock making losses or nothing at all such as Jason Holdings or SinoConstruction those stock some how rising to stupid levels with P/E ratios over a 1000..
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RedEye1811 Master	09-Feb-2015 13:00        RedEye1811 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	WC81...your view same as mine...penny stock and even mid-cap stocks are in the main toxic in SG at moment...even when penny stocks or mid caps have come out with good results the price has continued to fall....only area making any money is the large caps and STI stocks...and even then not much to make there....though if you find a stock making losses or nothing at all such as Jason Holdings or SinoConstruction those stock some how rising to stupid levels with P/E ratios over a 1000..
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wendycheong81 Veteran	09-Feb-2015 12:46        wendycheong81 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	in short sg stock especially penny or even mid cap cannot play RedEye1811      ( Date: 09-Feb-2015 12:30) Posted: WC81...given the acquisitions Vallianz made during last year this could provide a boost to its revenue and bottomline during 2015, thus on a forward looking basis, this counter could be becoming quite undervalued if price continued to be pushed down...of course that based on assumption revenue of new acquistions flow through...if do then perhaps it getting undervalued so could be worth buying...however, if do that then one will have to be very patient to wait long term (more than 12 months) to perhaps see any reasonable capital gains...but way the price being pushed down last 5 trading days with heavy sell q' s day after day then just feels like someone knows something and everything not good so they selling up...or they trying to keep it down to make it an attractive takeover option or something to take private...perhaps if it gets down to 5.5c it may be worth looking at...but at moment just looks like a good bye stock as you say... wendycheong81      ( Date: 09-Feb-2015 11:53) Posted: looks like another say good bye stoc
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RedEye1811 Master	09-Feb-2015 12:30        RedEye1811 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	WC81...given the acquisitions Vallianz made during last year this could provide a boost to its revenue and bottomline during 2015, thus on a forward looking basis, this counter could be becoming quite undervalued if price continued to be pushed down...of course that based on assumption revenue of new acquistions flow through...if do then perhaps it getting undervalued so could be worth buying...however, if do that then one will have to be very patient to wait long term (more than 12 months) to perhaps see any reasonable capital gains...but way the price being pushed down last 5 trading days with heavy sell q' s day after day then just feels like someone knows something and everything not good so they selling up...or they trying to keep it down to make it an attractive takeover option or something to take private...perhaps if it gets down to 5.5c it may be worth looking at...but at moment just looks like a good bye stock as you say... wendycheong81      ( Date: 09-Feb-2015 11:53) Posted: looks like another say good bye stock RedEye1811      ( Date: 06-Feb-2015 09:12) Posted: Tis counter nothing but a money pit. Previously wld have said declines highly correlated to decline oil. But lately seems something more, with someone having inside info and is determined to sell out. Oil prices been jumping up and down and other O& M counters following but Vallianz merely being pushed down. Sell q all week been huge relative to buy q. Someone seems real determined to sell and price being pushed further and further down. Makes wonder if they know results going to be bad and jumping ship early. Perhaps if invested time to jump, and if thinking investing time to run. I had good feeling for this counter in past but have now turned purely sour. Regardless what they do to try build business seems market only has a negative feel. Shame. Perhaps they keeping price down in hope a big oil firm will swoop in an buy. Credit S had report thinking China oil firms, whilst cutting back on capex, may still take advantage cheap O& M counters and buy then up whilst valuations low so when oil rebounds they go bargain assets to grow. Perhaps Vallianz aiming for that.
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wendycheong81 Veteran	09-Feb-2015 11:53        wendycheong81 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	looks like another say good bye stock RedEye1811      ( Date: 06-Feb-2015 09:12) Posted: Tis counter nothing but a money pit. Previously wld have said declines highly correlated to decline oil. But lately seems something more, with someone having inside info and is determined to sell out. Oil prices been jumping up and down and other O& M counters following but Vallianz merely being pushed down. Sell q all week been huge relative to buy q. Someone seems real determined to sell and price being pushed further and further down. Makes wonder if they know results going to be bad and jumping ship early. Perhaps if invested time to jump, and if thinking investing time to run. I had good feeling for this counter in past but have now turned purely sour. Regardless what they do to try build business seems market only has a negative feel. Shame. Perhaps they keeping price down in hope a big oil firm will swoop in an buy. Credit S had report thinking China oil firms, whilst cutting back on capex, may still take advantage cheap O& M counters and buy then up whilst valuations low so when oil rebounds they go bargain assets to grow. Perhaps Vallianz aiming for that. wendycheong81      ( Date: 05-Feb-2015 22:20) Posted: this stock like gone case lia
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RedEye1811 Master	06-Feb-2015 09:12        RedEye1811 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Tis counter nothing but a money pit. Previously wld have said declines highly correlated to decline oil. But lately seems something more, with someone having inside info and is determined to sell out. Oil prices been jumping up and down and other O& M counters following but Vallianz merely being pushed down. Sell q all week been huge relative to buy q. Someone seems real determined to sell and price being pushed further and further down. Makes wonder if they know results going to be bad and jumping ship early. Perhaps if invested time to jump, and if thinking investing time to run. I had good feeling for this counter in past but have now turned purely sour. Regardless what they do to try build business seems market only has a negative feel. Shame. Perhaps they keeping price down in hope a big oil firm will swoop in an buy. Credit S had report thinking China oil firms, whilst cutting back on capex, may still take advantage cheap O& M counters and buy then up whilst valuations low so when oil rebounds they go bargain assets to grow. Perhaps Vallianz aiming for that. wendycheong81      ( Date: 05-Feb-2015 22:20) Posted: this stock like gone case liao RoundRound      ( Date: 04-Feb-2015 09:56) Posted: Price action. Why other oil counters surging but not Vallianz
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Intercept Veteran	06-Feb-2015 04:50        Intercept About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Be patient. Prices fluctuate n mkt is unpredictable, especially in the short term. If one cannot stomach such ups n downs of a stock price, then either u shift focus to other stocks or stay out of the mkt entirely.
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wendycheong81 Veteran	05-Feb-2015 22:20        wendycheong81 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	this stock like gone case liao RoundRound      ( Date: 04-Feb-2015 09:56) Posted: Price action. Why other oil counters surging but not Vallianz? RedEye1811      ( Date: 04-Feb-2015 09:53) Posted: Y short term prospect not good? Wish to enlighten why u assess this? If oil price then why other firms got boost but this counter nothing. So what is behind your statement " short term prospect not good" ?
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wendycheong81 Veteran	05-Feb-2015 20:14        wendycheong81 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	yesterday buy q at 71 over 10mil and today sell q at 71 over 8mil. either someone is really trying to collect at 70 71 if nt unloading all the holding they have. wat do u all think? I feel collecting Intercept      ( Date: 03-Feb-2015 19:16) Posted: Scooped an army today at 7.1ct. IMHO, a co of this quality will cross 10ct again if one has patience to hold. I have patience and guts.
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wendycheong81 Veteran	05-Feb-2015 20:14        wendycheong81 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I has same thinking as u but after ceo left for swiber I had 2nd tots. let's hope u r right Intercept      ( Date: 03-Feb-2015 19:39) Posted: I am just a nobody so I do not have the means or intention to second- guess what those big boys are up to. Whatever it is, oil prices won't stay low forever. I do not time the mkt but just buy to invest in a co which I feel has the ability to go far. Patience is the key wendycheong81      ( Date: 03-Feb-2015 19:23) Posted: yesterday buy q at 71 over 10mil and today sell q at 71 over 8mil. either someone is really trying to collect at 70 71 if nt unloading all the holding they have. wat do u all think? I feel collectin
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