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Sporeguy
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10-Oct-2016 15:36     
 
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That is why CPS commands a better price than PCS.

Just4win      ( Date: 10-Oct-2016 14:21) Posted:



Thanks, Sporeguy.

Sounds to me CPS is a better deal on paper as cf PCS.. due to the step date. Thanks !

Sporeguy      ( Date: 10-Oct-2016 14:19) Posted:



The holder of  CPS will be entitled to dividend at 6% pa, payable semi-annually on 25th April and 25th October every year. Since this preference share is also perpetual, which means that unlike a bond, there is no maturity period for which the issuer will redeem back the bond. However, there is an option for the issuer to redeem back the preference shares on or after 25th April 2018. Take note that this is a right solely to be considered by Hyflux, not an obligation. If they chose not to redeem it back on or after 2018, then they will step up the dividend rate from 6% pa to 8% pa. If they chose to redeem it back, they will buy it back from you at par value.

PCS  seems more like perpetual shares than bonds. The difference is not significant though, given that it' s a perp, so there is no maturity date even though there is a optional but not obligated redeemable date.
 


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Just4win
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10-Oct-2016 14:21     
 
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Thanks, Sporeguy.

Sounds to me CPS is a better deal on paper as cf PCS.. due to the step date. Thanks !

Sporeguy      ( Date: 10-Oct-2016 14:19) Posted:



The holder of  CPS will be entitled to dividend at 6% pa, payable semi-annually on 25th April and 25th October every year. Since this preference share is also perpetual, which means that unlike a bond, there is no maturity period for which the issuer will redeem back the bond. However, there is an option for the issuer to redeem back the preference shares on or after 25th April 2018. Take note that this is a right solely to be considered by Hyflux, not an obligation. If they chose not to redeem it back on or after 2018, then they will step up the dividend rate from 6% pa to 8% pa. If they chose to redeem it back, they will buy it back from you at par value.

PCS  seems more like perpetual shares than bonds. The difference is not significant though, given that it' s a perp, so there is no maturity date even though there is a optional but not obligated redeemable date.
 

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The holder of  CPS will be entitled to dividend at 6% pa, payable semi-annually on 25th April and 25th October every year. Since this preference share is also perpetual, which means that unlike a bond, there is no maturity period for which the issuer will redeem back the bond. However, there is an option for the issuer to redeem back the preference shares on or after 25th April 2018. Take note that this is a right solely to be considered by Hyflux, not an obligation. If they chose not to redeem it back on or after 2018, then they will step up the dividend rate from 6% pa to 8% pa. If they chose to redeem it back, they will buy it back from you at par value.

PCS  seems more like perpetual shares than bonds. The difference is not significant though, given that it' s a perp, so there is no maturity date even though there is a optional but not obligated redeemable date.
 
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10-Oct-2016 13:28     
 
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6% going into your bank account
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10-Oct-2016 11:46     
 
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Can some kind soul pls help to adv what is the difference between hpflux 6% CPS vs hyflux 6% PCS pls ? 

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26-Sep-2016 21:19     
 
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Smart move ....

ehclim      ( Date: 26-Sep-2016 11:41) Posted:



Expected hence I had accumulated when it was at about $94.

john_ric      ( Date: 26-Sep-2016 10:45) Posted:

 



hyflux 6 percent cps is on " CD" now.

 

it is paying !!


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Just4win
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26-Sep-2016 20:50     
 
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Oh, I thought both are the same, except trading size .. Thanks for your clarification. Lucky I hv vested this counter instead, so can get my cd earlier lol. 

mepkoh      ( Date: 26-Sep-2016 16:47) Posted:



the $1 ..different  issue date

next month 23 nov...ist cd

Just4win      ( Date: 26-Sep-2016 15:05) Posted:



Can adv, why this counter has CD appeared in the trading symbol while the other one Hyflux PCS does not ?


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mepkoh
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26-Sep-2016 16:49     
 
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off course it is...

if not cad will ask..hey u ipo n dont pay interest now..

 

john_ric      ( Date: 26-Sep-2016 10:45) Posted:

 



hyflux 6 percent cps is on " CD" now.

 

it is paying !!

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the $1 ..different  issue date

next month 23 nov...ist cd

Just4win      ( Date: 26-Sep-2016 15:05) Posted:



Can adv, why this counter has CD appeared in the trading symbol while the other one Hyflux PCS does not ?

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Can adv, why this counter has CD appeared in the trading symbol while the other one Hyflux PCS does not ?
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Expected hence I had accumulated when it was at about $94.

john_ric      ( Date: 26-Sep-2016 10:45) Posted:

 



hyflux 6 percent cps is on " CD" now.

 

it is paying !!

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hyflux 6 percent cps is on " CD" now.

 

it is paying !!
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22-Sep-2016 23:44     
 
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If Hyflux is in trouble, PUB n NEA very busy liao - to salvage the desalination n WTE projects.  But fact is, after Swiber, everyone seems allergic to bonds n so those with big risk appetite will benefit from the better yield  - but dyodd first, some  other bonds might be shaky too ....

samudra      ( Date: 22-Sep-2016 17:32) Posted:



hyflux 6 percent cps payout will be on 25 oct 2016. As payout is only one month away why is it still below par value. Is hyflux in trouble ?.

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22-Sep-2016 17:32     
 
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hyflux 6 percent cps payout will be on 25 oct 2016. As payout is only one month away why is it still below par value. Is hyflux in trouble ?.
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16-Sep-2016 12:32     
 
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cd will be announced first week of october
 

samudra      ( Date: 16-Sep-2016 11:50) Posted:



when is the next coupon rate pay out for hyflux 6% Non cps ?.  Look like some thing is not right as it is still below par value.

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when is the next coupon rate pay out for hyflux 6% Non cps ?.  Look like some thing is not right as it is still below par value.
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24-Aug-2016 12:54     
 
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the $1 cps even better...now .969 compared to 097.5 for the big brother

mepkoh      ( Date: 24-Aug-2016 12:48) Posted:



well..booked now..$3 per share  in about 40 days...why not

Know-Your-Stuff      ( Date: 23-Aug-2016 21:11) Posted:



Sell down finish and price  reverse upward today.


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well..booked now..$3 per share  in about 40 days...why not

Know-Your-Stuff      ( Date: 23-Aug-2016 21:11) Posted:



Sell down finish and price  reverse upward today.

ysh2006      ( Date: 21-Aug-2016 18:30) Posted:

Okay in this case will be non issue fund like we all sometimes need money so sell some shares to tie up. ..!
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Sell down finish and price  reverse upward today.

ysh2006      ( Date: 21-Aug-2016 18:30) Posted:

Okay in this case will be non issue fund like we all sometimes need money so sell some shares to tie up. ..!!

Know-Your-Stuff      ( Date: 20-Aug-2016 17:24) Posted:



No need to worry. After i checked with a broking house, i bought 10K myself. The selldown is across the board because some HNWI who use leverage or margin to buy the O& G bonds like Swiber and KrisEnergy, etc are selling their non O& G bonds to cover their losses in their O& G bonds.  Indiscrimanant selling is a chance to make $$$.

Of all the retail bonds, i think Hyflux is the safest because water is a live or death issue for us. If really Hyflux need help, Temasek or government will come in. Government will not let Hyflux collapse. They have a 20 years water supply with PUB. If Hyflux collapse, we also die because 40% of our water supply come from there. The market cap is just meager $400M, a piece of cake for TH after they sell SingTel. If that happen, their bonds will surge above par, just like the 3 banks. So if next week drop some more, I will load up more.

 

 


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Thx, brother for sharing.  I think our investors need to familiarise themselves with all these technicalities before diving in. 

ehclim      ( Date: 21-Aug-2016 15:49) Posted:



Preferred shares have a stated par value.

In case of liquidation the claim of preferred stock holders is restricted to the par value of the preferred stock.

The claim of preferred stockholder' s on assets comes after that of creditors but before that of common stockholders.

ehclim      ( Date: 21-Aug-2016 15:46) Posted:

&minus Preferred shares have a stated par value.
&minus In case of liquidation the claim of preferred stock holders is restricted to the par value of the preferred stock.
&minus The claim of preferred stockholder&rsquo s on assets comes after that of creditors but before that of common stockholders.
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