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ticktock Master	24-Feb-2017 11:55        ticktock About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Agree buy some of both to reduce risk....my question though was about the current state of the companies and if you had to pick one...although it seems Vallianz might come under short attack if creditors start selling the acquired shares, the support levels do not seem to be committed...not holding and breaking soon. RedEye1811      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 18:56) Posted: If you said at least one of them would survive then I would split it 50:50...if say at least 1 will survive then that can mean (a) 1 survives, or (b) both survive...if 1 survives and 1 goes bust then least still got chance the 1 that surives will make money back that I lost on other or at least will not have lost everything...if both survive then got better chance at 1 will improve....but of course that all hypothetical as cannot guarantee at least 1 will survive.... If can only select 1 then even if you still say at least 1 will survive then still not worth it as can have a total loss if select wrong one that goes bust... So all told....will keep money in the bank ' cos least know it going to still be there tomorrow.... ticktock      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 17:09) Posted: Ezra and Vallianz same price if you have to put your money on one of them which one will you choose and why?
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zandlery Supreme	24-Feb-2017 10:32        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Both price the same not unfair. One with greater assets but have enormous debt and issue. One have lesser asset but with lesser issue. Both their NAV already different....... swv001      ( Date: 24-Feb-2017 10:16) Posted: There is risk of CLOSE SHOP in near term for Ezra, but Vallianz does not have such risk in near term. And Vallianz has huge contacts and has profit now while Ezra still can not find the way to get profit. It is quite unfair if they have the same price. ticktock      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 17:09) Posted: Ezra and Vallianz same price if you have to put your money on one of them which one will you choose and why?
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swv001 Member	24-Feb-2017 10:16        swv001 About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	There is risk of CLOSE SHOP in near term for Ezra, but Vallianz does not have such risk in near term. And Vallianz has huge contacts and has profit now while Ezra still can not find the way to get profit. It is quite unfair if they have the same price. ticktock      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 17:09) Posted: Ezra and Vallianz same price if you have to put your money on one of them which one will you choose and why?
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RedEye1811 Master	23-Feb-2017 18:56        RedEye1811 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	If you said at least one of them would survive then I would split it 50:50...if say at least 1 will survive then that can mean (a) 1 survives, or (b) both survive...if 1 survives and 1 goes bust then least still got chance the 1 that surives will make money back that I lost on other or at least will not have lost everything...if both survive then got better chance at 1 will improve....but of course that all hypothetical as cannot guarantee at least 1 will survive.... If can only select 1 then even if you still say at least 1 will survive then still not worth it as can have a total loss if select wrong one that goes bust... So all told....will keep money in the bank ' cos least know it going to still be there tomorrow.... ticktock      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 17:09) Posted: Ezra and Vallianz same price if you have to put your money on one of them which one will you choose and why?
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zandlery Supreme	23-Feb-2017 18:19        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Haha......not even a choice for now. Any third option money in the bank? ticktock      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 17:09) Posted: Ezra and Vallianz same price if you have to put your money on one of them which one will you choose and why?
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ticktock Master	23-Feb-2017 17:09        ticktock About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Ezra and Vallianz same price if you have to put your money on one of them which one will you choose and why?
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zandlery Supreme	23-Feb-2017 14:29        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Before I am supportive with this stock. Since before the big plunge. Negative news keep pesting this counter I still support but the use of shares as currency does not look good even for me.....well.......DYODD I guess
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zandlery Supreme	23-Feb-2017 14:21        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Good for those still vested. I bought stock for longer term and if it look not so good on longer term basis....I will not keep it. ticktock      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 14:15) Posted: Its gone up because you mentioned you want to buy back...:) zandlery      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 12:25) Posted: I divest during the fake rally recently and initial intention is to buy back when price fall back. Now after hearing they use shares like currency to pay debt......not gonna happen for a short while. The debtor have no commitment and can anytime sell the shares acquire when they deem they have profit....... Can expect any future rally will block by likes of them......
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RedEye1811 Master	23-Feb-2017 14:21        RedEye1811 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	It will fall back to 1.9c now you mention that.....when it hit that can zandlery come back and say he wish to buy again....then if shoot up we know it the " Z" effect....:)!! ticktock      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 14:15) Posted: Its gone up because you mentioned you want to buy back...:) zandlery      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 12:25) Posted: I divest during the fake rally recently and initial intention is to buy back when price fall back. Now after hearing they use shares like currency to pay debt......not gonna happen for a short while. The debtor have no commitment and can anytime sell the shares acquire when they deem they have profit....... Can expect any future rally will block by likes of them......
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ticktock Master	23-Feb-2017 14:15        ticktock About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Its gone up because you mentioned you want to buy back...:) zandlery      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 12:25) Posted: I divest during the fake rally recently and initial intention is to buy back when price fall back. Now after hearing they use shares like currency to pay debt......not gonna happen for a short while. The debtor have no commitment and can anytime sell the shares acquire when they deem they have profit....... Can expect any future rally will block by likes of them......
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bishalnb Master	23-Feb-2017 13:52        bishalnb About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	nice u-turn
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ticktock Master	23-Feb-2017 13:52        ticktock About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Ezion shows loss and huge debt to be paid still can issue notes, and share price up 8%....reputation of the management matters a lot, in case of vallianz it has taken a big hit.
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ticktock Master	23-Feb-2017 13:10        ticktock About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I was assuming there will be lockin.......was reading the terms and i do not find any......non good on part of management...there can be excessive dumping on the cards once the shares are handed over. zandlery      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 12:47) Posted: Normally there will be mentioning of lock in period in the annoucement if there is at the first place. I don't see it in the document, I might have miss it. So could assume there is non....that make it risky for existing shareholder. ticktock      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 12:38) Posted: Hmm...ideally there should have been a lock in period, can the company do a large share placement without any lockin clause in place?
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zandlery Supreme	23-Feb-2017 12:47        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Normally there will be mentioning of lock in period in the annoucement if there is at the first place. I don't see it in the document, I might have miss it. So could assume there is non....that make it risky for existing shareholder. ticktock      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 12:38) Posted: Hmm...ideally there should have been a lock in period, can the company do a large share placement without any lockin clause in place?   zandlery      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 12:25) Posted: I divest during the fake rally recently and initial intention is to buy back when price fall back. Now after hearing they use shares like currency to pay debt......not gonna happen for a short while. The debtor have no commitment and can anytime sell the shares acquire when they deem they have profit....... Can expect any future rally will block by likes of them......
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ticktock Master	23-Feb-2017 12:38        ticktock About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Hmm...ideally there should have been a lock in period, can the company do a large share placement without any lockin clause in place?   zandlery      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 12:25) Posted: I divest during the fake rally recently and initial intention is to buy back when price fall back. Now after hearing they use shares like currency to pay debt......not gonna happen for a short while. The debtor have no commitment and can anytime sell the shares acquire when they deem they have profit....... Can expect any future rally will block by likes of them......
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zandlery Supreme	23-Feb-2017 12:25        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I divest during the fake rally recently and initial intention is to buy back when price fall back. Now after hearing they use shares like currency to pay debt......not gonna happen for a short while. The debtor have no commitment and can anytime sell the shares acquire when they deem they have profit....... Can expect any future rally will block by likes of them......
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sengsk Elite	23-Feb-2017 12:24        sengsk About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Its always by some deg. of   luck too. If everyone are in good luck, how this market going to operate ? ticktock      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 12:20) Posted: quite a few brought at .023-.024 and some at .025, now back to .019. Recent placements have been at .02...how will they make money?
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ticktock Master	23-Feb-2017 12:20        ticktock About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	quite a few brought at .023-.024 and some at .025, now back to .019. Recent placements have been at .02...how will they make money?
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RedEye1811 Master	23-Feb-2017 12:19        RedEye1811 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Combined   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I think mgmt making a mistake reporting a profit...Alliance Minerals never produced anything but since Jan 16 it share price gone from 10c to 19c...and Noble lost a bundle past few quarters but in past few weeks rushed from 17c to 27c today...trick may be report losses or zero revenue and everyone get excited and goes crazy for your shares and price shoot up...perhaps they should do that...if anyone vested here taken their money and tossed into Alliance Minerals or Noble a month ago they virtually doubled it....(please not said with sarcasm)... sheerluck      ( Date: 23-Feb-2017 11:56) Posted: Market sell down first before those creditors come flooding it with cheap Vallianz shares. Vallianz has been using their shares as the currency for any monkey businesses since day 1, be it business acquisition or whatever.   It did it so well that its share base increased from 1.2bil to 3.2 bil within a year.   Majority dilution is one thing.   But those business owners whose businesses got acquired taking Vallianz shares can use them in Fairprice to buy things?   Ofc not.   Need to cash out first right?   From where?   Bank ATM?   No. No.   From the market with poor shareholder pouring their hard-earned money in and holding on to false hope of a viable turnaround business. The mgmt is obviously taking shareholders for a very nice ride.   Your only hope lies not within the company but that the market may one day go so crazy that the price shoot up .
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zandlery Supreme	23-Feb-2017 12:02        zandlery About Contact  Quote this Post!   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Indeed. Placement suddenly have become common for this company. The right issue have been postponed indefinitely....as good as a no go. But there are still chances that they still want to go ahead in the future..... I guess then shareholder holding will diluted from rice into porridge.......
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