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n3wbie
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17-Oct-2023 09:56
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Starting to see the rally in HK with the other major SOE peer, Beijing Enterprise Water. Trades at 0.6x PB, 9% div yield. Time for a catch-up? | ||||
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Alignment
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16-Oct-2023 10:44
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Yes the capital intensive nature of the business is the reason. It is capital intensive, plus the capital is mostly invested on the basis of long term government backed revenue streams. One therefore should not be concerned about the absolute level of debt for this company, but rather the gearing % level. Buyback vs dividend - personally I think I am indifferent in terms of whether a given amount of shareholder return is returned via a dividend or a buyback, as a buyback to me seems to be technically the same as paying me a dividend and then me using the dividend to buy shares. More important is ideally the company should be increasing the shareholder return being paid back - they can afford it given the payout ratio is only 30%.    |
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bamboo300306
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15-Oct-2023 23:30
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The company has been making a profit over past 10 years. Why aren't the debt going down? Might be the natural of the business is capital intensive. I would prefer the company buy back shares rather than give out 2 cents dividend. Not vested | ||||
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n3wbie
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15-Oct-2023 19:33
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It is quite a gem to find companies trading at distressed valuations - 0.28x PB, PE of < 5x despite growth in EBITDA, EPS and DPS. Biggest comfort is the downside protection with yield and that government is fully supportive. Infrastructure has traditionally been the sector for them to do stimulus to drive GDP growth. Bloomberg has already reported that as shared previously but of course we have yet to see any announcements from the government.  If its any comfort, CITIC Envirotech was privatized few years back at book value so that sets a precedent of what' s the min valuation for the sector and for SOE. |
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14-Oct-2023 15:27
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The other point worth noting is that despite a 10% dividend yield the dividend payout ratio is only 30%. Imagine if it paid it all out - an annual dividend yield of 33% and growing... | ||||
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n3wbie
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12-Oct-2023 21:09
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Good points around the free float and sophistication of participants of this stock. On the debt, given that its a SOE and the govt' s support for the sector, it is hardly an issue. In a tough market, liquidity is key and looking at their ability to issue debt at sub 3% interest (both short and long-term loans) is very encouraging. The access and ability to tap on the debt market is really critical. What is important also is being able to grow the margin and bottomline (and dividends). Hopefully given that its their 20th year anniversary, shareholders might be rewarded with decent dividends, in line with their profit growth.
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12-Oct-2023 17:55
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Both are strong businesses. Debt is not a concern because of the long term contractual nature of the revenue stream. Of the two, Everbright is the more attractively priced especially in light of its lower leverage. The issue I think which is stopping them from trading at double the current share price (which based on their fundamentals they should be trading at) is technical - these are complicated businesses to understand and you need sophisticated institutional investors to buy in in order for the share price to reach the level these companies merit. However, because the free float is so small it is not worth these investors' time to take a look because they are unable to buy in sufficent size for it to be interesting for them. You are then left with retail investors who generally don' t understand the sector. It is not helped also by the poor disclosure of the companies themselves which makes it difficult for potential investors to understand the businesses. |
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sgmystique
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12-Oct-2023 13:30
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I have been vested in SIIC for some time and recently invested in China Everbright as well. Apart from the fact that their business model needs them to have a significant amount of debt on their books, I see nothing NOT TO LIKE about both companies. Their business is something that is a national priority. Customers are all government linked entities (so hopefully they should get paid for the services that they provide). They have been giving decent dividends (with a 7%+ yield for SIIC and 10%+ for CEWL). Last but not the least, Top 20 shareholders for both companies own more than 90% of the total outstanding shares. This along wth the consistent dividends gives me comfort with holding on to my positions. Please do let me know if I have missed out on any significant aspects...   |
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n3wbie
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11-Oct-2023 23:23
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Hi, this thread seems quiet but wondering if there are any followers on this? Bloomberg reported about potential new stimulus with focus on infrastructure and highlighted water conservancy as an area of focus. Beijing Water in HK was up 3+% today following this. Potentially CEWL and SIIC will follow suit given how depressed valuations are - 0.28x PB and 10% div yield. 5-year div growth rate of 15%. Decent downside - upside risk reward. Any thoughts? China Mulls New Stimulus, Higher Deficit to Meet Growth Goal  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-10/china-weighs-new-stimulus-higher-deficit-to-meet-growth-target |
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Joelton
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11-Aug-2023 11:27
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China Everbright Water H1 profit up 22% to HK$632.2 million
CHINA Everbright Water : U9E +7.14% reported a net profit of HK$632.2 million (S$109.0 million) for the first half ended Jun 30, a 22 per cent increase from HK$520.1 million in the corresponding year-ago period.
 
The Hong Kong and Singapore dual-listed environmental services group posted on Thursday (Aug 10) an increase in earnings per share for H1 to HK$0.2210 from HK$0.1818 the previous year.
 
The increase in earnings came despite an 11 per cent fall in H1 revenue to HK$3.1 billion from HK$3.5 billion, as profit margin improved by 11 percentage points to 46 per cent.  
 
The group&rsquo s direct costs and operating expenses fell 26 per cent to HK$1.7 billion from HK$2.3 billion. This was attributed to cost reduction and efficiency enhancement measures.
 
China Everbright said it reviewed and undertook 175 major cost reduction measures in H1 relating to expenses for electricity, pharmaceuticals, sludge disposal, maintenance and other operations management items, thus reducing relevant expenses significantly compared with H1 2022. 
 
The fall in gross revenue was a result of a 39 per cent decline in construction service revenue to HK$826.7 million from HK$1.4 billion. The decrease was attributed to a drop in construction activities. 
 
In contrast, operation income increased 6 per cent to HK$1.6 billion from HK$1.5 billion as new projects went into operation following the completion of their constructions. The proportion of revenue coming from operation income also increased to 50.5 per cent from 42.2 per cent in the year-ago period.
 
The group expects operation income to make up an even greater proportion of its total revenue, as the constructions of more new projects are scheduled to complete.
 
An interim dividend of HK$0.0663 per share was declared for the half-year period, up from HK$0.0545 a year earlier. 
 
The dividend will be paid out on or around Sep 8, after the Singapore books closure date of Aug 25.
 
As at Jun 30, the group&rsquo s gearing ratio stood at 60.5 per cent, slightly lower than the 61.1 per cent at the end of FY2022.
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Catrade
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10-Aug-2023 17:14
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A very good set of interim result indeed ! Best of all China Everbright consistently gives bi-annually abt 2c dividends (abt 10% annually) since 2019. Although it' s business is capital intensive but she has no problem issued bond/notes with AAA credit rating. At current price 22.5c is too cheap it' s forwards PE ratio is below 3, and certainly I would keep this for long term investment.  | ||||
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10-Aug-2023 14:52
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Very strong set of results. I imagine that this company (and the sector as a whole) is not well understood by the markets, in particular how construction revenue in practice actually represents longer term cashflows from local authorities. The dividend just declared implies a dividend yield of 10% - this is when the company could pay much more given the implied payout ratio is only 30%.       |
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kiseki_2818
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10-Aug-2023 14:28
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well done. like that will repeat previous pattern, slowly climb to touch 0.3x.   |
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09-Aug-2023 01:19
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It' s typically reasonable for water companies such as this one to take on relatively high amounts of debt - future revenue growth is to a large extent contractually guaranteed by government. In fact in some countries water companies are never cashflow positive even as they pay out high dividend yields, which they pay by borrowing against future guaranteed income.      |
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Joelton
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18-Jul-2023 09:44
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China Everbright Water issues 1.5 billion yuan worth of five-year notes at 2.97% interest
 
ENVIRONMENTAL services company China Everbright Water has issued 1.5 billion yuan (S$276.8 million) worth of five-year medium-term notes at 2.97 per cent interest.
 
The notes have a maturity period of five years, with an interest rate adjustment option to be exercised by the company and a resale option to be exercised by the noteholders at the end of the third interest-bearing year. They have a subscription rate of 2.25 times.
 
They were fully subscribed for by institutional investors in the national interbank bond market of mainland China, the company said.
 
These notes are the second tranche of notes issued by China Everbright Water, following a first tranche of 1.5 billion yuan five-year notes issued in April 2023. The first tranche of notes has an interest rate of 3.20 per cent, and a subscription rate of 2.37 times.
 
Proceeds from the notes issuance will be used to replenish the working capital of China Everbright Water&rsquo s subsidiaries and repay the interest-bearing debts of the company or its subsidiaries. This will provide &ldquo good capital security for the company&rsquo s steady development in a challenging industry and market environment&rdquo , it said.
 
Everbright Securities Company was lead underwriter and bookrunner of the issuance of this second tranche of notes.
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Observers
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13-Jun-2023 06:35
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Huh? Why leh? I thought PBOC reducing their interest rates? Although I think price weakness is more due to exchange rate. SGD is just too stonks.
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Nippon72
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12-Jun-2023 20:26
Yells: "Dude, is ALWAYS Time in the market than Timing the market! " |
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Precisely. I would rather they par down their debt.  I am on two minds though. Having dividend shows co got real cash, but just not sure whether is from their debts or earnings. I have stopped looking at it. Just hold onto to my 5 lots. To support my belief water is precious, essential and therefore biz should be at least profitable.  Vested.   
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SAVIORFOREVER
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12-Jun-2023 10:28
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Good insight.
Company with high debts is not a good thing. Not sure why they still give dividends. Trade with appreciation and DYODD |
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fruitfulness
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11-Jun-2023 14:24
Yells: "May the Lord God establish the works of my hands!" |
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Don' t know if you met China Everbright International C-suite guys or those from CEW.  Guess there are three broad business arms in China Everbright International ... so exploring possible ventures in Malaysia could be a possibility. Still hoping CEW will move well from capital intensive model into asset-light model until we see clear positive free cash flow, otherwise many shareholders will not be at ease. I see all water assets being traded at NAV, whether buying or selling.  It may make sense to sell some assets away to pare down debts.
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i4value
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11-Jun-2023 10:45
Yells: "i4value.asia" |
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I met some C-suite staff from China Everbright years ago when they were hunting for investments in Malaysia. I must say that it was not an example of good " corporate governance" then with multiple parties claiming to have " ventures" with the group during the process. To be fair, I have not been following the group since then. But it did not give a good impression about dealing with mainland Chinese companies in HK. I hope that this has improved over the years.  | ||||
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