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Qanghoo Supreme	12-Dec-2015 10:47        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	This one won' t die one.  They can keep hammering it down, but it' s like u can inflict physical pain on the body but never kill the soul.  Maybe kena whacked to 30c, but bounce back triple over next two yrs.  So, those got a lot of loose cash sure can make by braving the storm.  Pt is, when to jeep n also that  in this sh*t mkt probably a lot of us loose change maybe only a bit left.  HazardKoh      ( Date: 12-Dec-2015 00:26) Posted: err.. :) sometimes investors are at losing ends too la.. for example tigerair and NOL. Last time tigerair quite many investors bought at above $1, it even went up to $1.60 in 2011. Also NOL last time investors bought at above $4... Both are also quite " safe" bet type of counters. In the end, u shd know the outcome :) But ok la, since u bought hyflux at a lower price range, shd be ok. Those who invested in hyflux when it was trading over $1 and water theme counters was hot are the ones who should worry more. But i saying dun rule out the share price dropping to half or even less than half  it' s NTA. Many counters are trading at half it' s NTA and even less in SGX... latebird      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 23:29) Posted: Yes, trade within limits is best, if I can't afford to pay up, I won't place that kind of order. I think investors need a lot patience. Traders and investors are two different breeds, usually the investor trumps over trader with the right stock.
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HazardKoh Master	12-Dec-2015 00:26        HazardKoh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	err.. :) sometimes investors are at losing ends too la.. for example tigerair and NOL. Last time tigerair quite many investors bought at above $1, it even went up to $1.60 in 2011. Also NOL last time investors bought at above $4... Both are also quite " safe" bet type of counters. In the end, u shd know the outcome :) But ok la, since u bought hyflux at a lower price range, shd be ok. Those who invested in hyflux when it was trading over $1 and water theme counters was hot are the ones who should worry more. But i saying dun rule out the share price dropping to half or even less than half  it' s NTA. Many counters are trading at half it' s NTA and even less in SGX... latebird      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 23:29) Posted: Yes, trade within limits is best, if I can't afford to pay up, I won't place that kind of order. I think investors need a lot patience. Traders and investors are two different breeds, usually the investor trumps over trader with the right stock. ohlele      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 23:00) Posted: 10000 shares at 0.615 still ok lah. At most lose $6150 if Hyflux close shop (which is almost impossible as a buy over would have taken place by then). Chill lah, as long as trade within personal limits and cut when it reaches your threshold, you should be fine. Always set a cut loss limit and take profit limit before you enter a trade. I know it' s easier said than done.
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latebird Member	11-Dec-2015 23:29        latebird About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Yes, trade within limits is best, if I can't afford to pay up, I won't place that kind of order. I think investors need a lot patience. Traders and investors are two different breeds, usually the investor trumps over trader with the right stock. ohlele      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 23:00) Posted: 10000 shares at 0.615 still ok lah. At most lose $6150 if Hyflux close shop (which is almost impossible as a buy over would have taken place by then). Chill lah, as long as trade within personal limits and cut when it reaches your threshold, you should be fine. Always set a cut loss limit and take profit limit before you enter a trade. I know it' s easier said than done. latebird      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 21:26) Posted: To cut or not to cut is always the big question. My gut feeling tells me the market is overreacting and with hyflux prices already close to its nav, it is a bet I am prepared to take in holding out. Moreover the fall is affecting several counters across and not specific to hyflux. A rebound in the short term to 65 cents is not impossible, but a rebound to $1 of course would be far fetched. Of course I may be wrong and the prices go tumbling down, I can only hope that it doesn't stay at the bottom forever.
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ohlele Senior	11-Dec-2015 23:00        ohlele About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	10000 shares at 0.615 still ok lah. At most lose $6150 if Hyflux close shop (which is almost impossible as a buy over would have taken place by then). Chill lah, as long as trade within personal limits and cut when it reaches your threshold, you should be fine. Always set a cut loss limit and take profit limit before you enter a trade. I know it' s easier said than done. latebird      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 21:26) Posted: To cut or not to cut is always the big question. My gut feeling tells me the market is overreacting and with hyflux prices already close to its nav, it is a bet I am prepared to take in holding out. Moreover the fall is affecting several counters across and not specific to hyflux. A rebound in the short term to 65 cents is not impossible, but a rebound to $1 of course would be far fetched. Of course I may be wrong and the prices go tumbling down, I can only hope that it doesn't stay at the bottom forever. HazardKoh      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 20:27) Posted: I just saying if a crash is coming, no counters are spared. Even if Hyflux is like what u say " protected" , share price will still kana whacked down. I mean if u see a big crash coming, is not really wise to hold on right? can cut and buy back cheaper.. I not saying a crash will come, i just saying in 2009, alot of ppl also said the same thing, hold, will rebound etc.. in the end, when the big crash really came, all counters kana whacked even if big shot like singtel also kana whacked until $2+ only... I not saying a big crash will come by the way, I just saying when  and if I see a big crash coming,  I will not hold on . Cut and wait to buy back cheaper.. Cheers. Must be flexible la sometimes, and especially in our lousy SGX. When u see  big crash in other markets , do u think our SGX can survive?
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latebird Member	11-Dec-2015 21:26        latebird About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	To cut or not to cut is always the big question. My gut feeling tells me the market is overreacting and with hyflux prices already close to its nav, it is a bet I am prepared to take in holding out. Moreover the fall is affecting several counters across and not specific to hyflux. A rebound in the short term to 65 cents is not impossible, but a rebound to $1 of course would be far fetched. Of course I may be wrong and the prices go tumbling down, I can only hope that it doesn't stay at the bottom forever. HazardKoh      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 20:27) Posted: I just saying if a crash is coming, no counters are spared. Even if Hyflux is like what u say " protected" , share price will still kana whacked down. I mean if u see a big crash coming, is not really wise to hold on right? can cut and buy back cheaper.. I not saying a crash will come, i just saying in 2009, alot of ppl also said the same thing, hold, will rebound etc.. in the end, when the big crash really came, all counters kana whacked even if big shot like singtel also kana whacked until $2+ only... I not saying a big crash will come by the way, I just saying when  and if I see a big crash coming,  I will not hold on . Cut and wait to buy back cheaper.. Cheers. Must be flexible la sometimes, and especially in our lousy SGX. When u see  big crash in other markets , do u think our SGX can survive?  latebird      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 20:16) Posted: We are a country where water is scarce. Do you think our govt will let hyflux bankrupt or become nothing? Just something for you to ponder
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skang2 Senior	11-Dec-2015 21:13        skang2 About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood: Yells: "Do or Die, Don't Ask Why.."
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	listen to Earlybird? lol latebird      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 20:13) Posted: I listened to one joker in the past (veteran) to cut loss for Noble n it rebounded a week later. I tell myself that i can afford to lose $6150 this time round, I am not going to cut loss even if it means holding on for the next 10 years. ecekca      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:34) Posted: better cut loss .. cos it reaching 0.5 soon
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Qanghoo Supreme	11-Dec-2015 21:02        Qanghoo About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Problem not with this counter alone problem is with the mkt, stemming from the wrong management cos they refuse to see an elephant in front of them, but keep looking for the ants.  Suppose to make the mkt competitive n vibrant, but instead kill it with all sorts of stupid rules n not being able rein in the chng kays.  The other pt I' d like to comment on is Hyflux crash < > Hyflux bankrupt.  It can be very solid for all we know.  But only share px crash n a lot of people will conveniently link it to Fed, n SGX will  quickly n happily agree.  But actually, to me, it' s chng kays just forcing px down, like they do for so many other solid stocks, So, I think we shd decouple a stock-mkt px crash from a bankruptcy.  fortunecat      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 20:20) Posted: Ya, if market rebounds and this one still like that then can cut lah. But now almost all counters in STI are dropping to their multi years low, so can' t be sure is problem with this counter only or the whole market, may still have a chance to bound back. HazardKoh      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:57) Posted: Bro, i still remember the dark days in 2009 when OSIM drop to 5 cents from $1+... I also remember my Multistar dropped from 45 cents to 1 cents and then delisted and I lost almost  1/4  of a  million $$$. I also remember COSCO from $8 to 60 cents ... Just let u know it actually happened before all the above scenario
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HazardKoh Master	11-Dec-2015 20:27        HazardKoh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I just saying if a crash is coming, no counters are spared. Even if Hyflux is like what u say " protected" , share price will still kana whacked down. I mean if u see a big crash coming, is not really wise to hold on right? can cut and buy back cheaper.. I not saying a crash will come, i just saying in 2009, alot of ppl also said the same thing, hold, will rebound etc.. in the end, when the big crash really came, all counters kana whacked even if big shot like singtel also kana whacked until $2+ only... I not saying a big crash will come by the way, I just saying when  and if I see a big crash coming,  I will not hold on . Cut and wait to buy back cheaper.. Cheers. Must be flexible la sometimes, and especially in our lousy SGX. When u see  big crash in other markets , do u think our SGX can survive?  latebird      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 20:16) Posted: We are a country where water is scarce. Do you think our govt will let hyflux bankrupt or become nothing? Just something for you to ponder. HazardKoh      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:57) Posted: Bro, i still remember the dark days in 2009 when OSIM drop to 5 cents from $1+... I also remember my Multistar dropped from 45 cents to 1 cents and then delisted and I lost almost  1/4  of a  million $$$. I also remember COSCO from $8 to 60 cents ... Just let u know it actually happened before all the above scenario
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fortunecat Master	11-Dec-2015 20:20        fortunecat About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Ya, if market rebounds and this one still like that then can cut lah. But now almost all counters in STI are dropping to their multi years low, so can' t be sure is problem with this counter only or the whole market, may still have a chance to bound back. HazardKoh      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:57) Posted: Bro, i still remember the dark days in 2009 when OSIM drop to 5 cents from $1+... I also remember my Multistar dropped from 45 cents to 1 cents and then delisted and I lost almost  1/4  of a  million $$$. I also remember COSCO from $8 to 60 cents ... Just let u know it actually happened before all the above scenario   fortunecat      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:54) Posted: Already too much to cut loss now, even cut also not now when the market is dropping for extended period already and may rebound soon.
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latebird Member	11-Dec-2015 20:16        latebird About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	We are a country where water is scarce. Do you think our govt will let hyflux bankrupt or become nothing? Just something for you to ponder. HazardKoh      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:57) Posted: Bro, i still remember the dark days in 2009 when OSIM drop to 5 cents from $1+... I also remember my Multistar dropped from 45 cents to 1 cents and then delisted and I lost almost  1/4  of a  million $$$. I also remember COSCO from $8 to 60 cents ... Just let u know it actually happened before all the above scenario   fortunecat      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:54) Posted: Already too much to cut loss now, even cut also not now when the market is dropping for extended period already and may rebound soon.
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latebird Member	11-Dec-2015 20:13        latebird About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I listened to one joker in the past (veteran) to cut loss for Noble n it rebounded a week later. I tell myself that i can afford to lose $6150 this time round, I am not going to cut loss even if it means holding on for the next 10 years. ecekca      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:34) Posted: better cut loss .. cos it reaching 0.5 soon latebird      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 13:45) Posted: Stuck at 61.5 cents 10000 shares
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HazardKoh Master	11-Dec-2015 19:57        HazardKoh About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Bro, i still remember the dark days in 2009 when OSIM drop to 5 cents from $1+... I also remember my Multistar dropped from 45 cents to 1 cents and then delisted and I lost almost  1/4  of a  million $$$. I also remember COSCO from $8 to 60 cents ... Just let u know it actually happened before all the above scenario   fortunecat      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:54) Posted: Already too much to cut loss now, even cut also not now when the market is dropping for extended period already and may rebound soon.   ecekca      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:33) Posted: That' s a big holding.....better cut loss now
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fortunecat Master	11-Dec-2015 19:54        fortunecat About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Already too much to cut loss now, even cut also not now when the market is dropping for extended period already and may rebound soon.   ecekca      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 19:33) Posted: That' s a big holding.....better cut loss now paranomic123      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 13:51) Posted: Stuck at $1.10 120,000 shares.
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ecekca Elite	11-Dec-2015 19:34        ecekca About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	better cut loss .. cos it reaching 0.5 soon latebird      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 13:45) Posted: Stuck at 61.5 cents 10000 shares
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ecekca Elite	11-Dec-2015 19:33        ecekca About Contact  Quote this Post! Style: Flexible   Mood:
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	That' s a big holding.....better cut loss now paranomic123      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 13:51) Posted: Stuck at $1.10 120,000 shares.
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latebird Member	11-Dec-2015 17:20        latebird About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Free English lesson for you.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don%27t_be_anal creamyazure      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 17:10) Posted: Be a gentleman, please! I never  deal with  someone full of swearwords and having lost his sanity. Let dear readers in this forum to judge. Full stop.  latebird      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 16:40) Posted: Don't understand why you are so anal over the post. You are having constipation along with the market?
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latebird Member	11-Dec-2015 17:15        latebird About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Being anal is not a swear word, brush up on your English please. In your first post to me, you did not come across as someone that is in for a civil discussion, please go reflect on yourself. creamyazure      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 17:10) Posted: Be a gentleman, please! I never  deal with  someone full of swearwords and having lost his sanity. Let dear readers in this forum to judge. Full stop.  latebird      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 16:40) Posted: Don't understand why you are so anal over the post. You are having constipation along with the market?
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creamyazure Member	11-Dec-2015 17:10        creamyazure About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Be a gentleman, please! I never  deal with  someone full of swearwords and having lost his sanity. Let dear readers in this forum to judge. Full stop.  latebird      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 16:40) Posted: Don't understand why you are so anal over the post. You are having constipation along with the market? creamyazure      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 16:08) Posted: Thank you very much be frank with our ordinary investors in this forum. I believe you are too " innocent" to post such a message!  Your question has been answered cleally with the fact too.
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latebird Member	11-Dec-2015 16:40        latebird About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	Don't understand why you are so anal over the post. You are having constipation along with the market? creamyazure      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 16:08) Posted: Thank you very much be frank with our ordinary investors in this forum. I believe you are too " innocent" to post such a message!  Your question has been answered cleally with the fact too.  latebird      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 15:42) Posted: I mentioned Temasek bought at $1, I didn't specify when, you came along and said it was just a rumour, who is spreading falsehood? I was innocently asking whether they have offloaded, coz I don't follow news of Temasek Holdings very closely, just happened to chance upon that article.
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creamyazure Member	11-Dec-2015 16:39        creamyazure About Contact  Quote this Post!
x 0   x 0  Alert Admin	I suspect if there is such an individual/institution having  the ability and financial power to manipulate the market in a sustainable period of time! As a fundamentalist, I  only believe market efficiency and real numbers which  trully refeclts companies' performance and macro economic behaviors.  Rumors and people' s mental reactions may impact the market temporarily, eventually market will always have the final say and work perfectly and efficiently in its own way to refect the true fundamental results. Current market depression is highly related to the global financial climate changes and macro econimic conditions. Just watch CNBC then you will understand what are happening... However, ordinary inestors like us  only concern if I should invest or keep aside  now, if my current holdings will provide me acceptable returns in a few  years later. The answer only lie in  a company' s fundamental performance and its  earning ability but nothing else, not any rumor or illusions popped up every now and then.      Qanghoo      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 16:07) Posted: All I can say is really looks like terribly manipulated mkt.  Hyflus not only stock being squeezed.  So many other stocks also losing abt 20%+ value within 1 mth liao.  But no one cares.  SGX still get its commission, n management still get their fat salary.  paranomic123      ( Date: 11-Dec-2015 11:33) Posted: Looks like rebound is very slim.. just look at the sell queue.. like endless.
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