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Agree.

Innovation and creativity is the engine power for the company, without these comapny will not move Good management team is the  critical driver, with a capable team to execute, a company will lose its direction or even drop off the cliff!

Hyflux CEO should have a more capable management team to improve its performance and manage its high-cost funds(debt & capitals) wisely and efficiently in projects & new products, rather than waste lot of precious funds  to  buy back shares at ridicule high price level.

paranomic123      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 17:08) Posted:



No matter what its the leader I felt. If you own this company 33.3% or more shares. You will work doubly hard for it. Plus, you must have the vision and directions on where you are heading. 

Many times, I hv seen private companies that got listed and just there.. for the $$ nia. Not much motivations.wink

Qanghoo      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 16:51) Posted:



In spore, we seem to think we produce quality work n we are very atas.  The truth, as what I' ve often tought is that our lack of commitment is extremely high n that' s why I think we are prone to not making it in the longer term.  Just look at NOL ....


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If you are talking about the company sharebuy back program. Then you are mistaken probably. The percentage it declared for buy-back : Plenty of room for that to happen except we don' t know when.. sometimes it happen across a few years.  wink

creamyazure      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 16:45) Posted:



Buy back? Dreaming!!!

As Hyflux has only    left about $1.4 million quota to buy more  treasury shares, any futher buy backs will be insignificant!  Just look at its buy back report on 30 Nov, you will see it clearlly.

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Shortists no more meats liao.......

Short covering must be fast.......daily shares buying back will be kicked in soon......


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Low oil prices doesn' t help. This company is not running transport and there isn' t much significant benefits to its operational cost on low oil. 

Its their prospective business customers.  cheeky

creamyazure      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 16:34) Posted:

Totally agree with your view.

In long run, low oil price will negatively affect the company' s profit margin  resulting from the byproduct of the new WTE plant

for the time being,  low oil price should benefit the company  in form of  current cheap power, improving their perfromance by reducing operational cost.

All in all, low oil price should have a mixed impact on the company. Currently, its impact is positive rather than negative.

 

Most importantly, share price reflects a company' s fundamental performance. If the fundamental keeps sliding dwon contineously, how to  support its share price not to slide down?

I am a long-term supporter for Hyflux (since 2007) but can not help from being dissappointed at its performance of last 5-6 years. Really upset.

 

 

Qanghoo      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 15:42) Posted:



I' d say this, but it' s not for now cos the WTE plant probably is 4 yrs' time.  They' ll generate electricity as a byproduct of refuse incineration.  If oil px remains low (which I seriously doubt)  then, they will have to compete with the cheap producers in the electricity mkt to sell cheap n that' d compress their margins.  On the other hand, I think the desalination plant will continue to tap from the electricity pool for running the plant at least until TuasOne starts ops n the current oil px translating into cheap power shd benefit them. That' s my take.  I' m no engineer.  Only that I think when the new incineration plant comes on stream, this Hyflus wld probably be stronger financially n profitability w d improve. 


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it used to trade 2 or 3 P/B and now it hitting nearly P/B=1

it could be cheaper. i think the ceo lose direction. it used to be a exciting stock..

Qanghoo      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 16:48) Posted:



Yep, according to their latest financial result, NAV is 54.4.  I use Shareinvestor, which is owned by SPH that most reputable of media grps in spore.  N I used to think until now that their data are updated on time n professionally done.  Yet, I get this kind of crap.  So, for those of u who are Shareinvestor subscribers, n those being accosted to do so at exhibitions, please beware of this crap tool.  I think maybe I shall drop the SPH CEO a stinker. 

spore1      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 16:23) Posted:

NAV only 54 cents.Ok can consider around 54 cent
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BTW,  Net Asset Value, or NAV, is the sum total of the market value of all the shares held in the portfolio including cash, less the liabilities, divided by the total number of units outstanding as defintion you can find on the web. 

In case of companies, the price of its share is ' as quoted on the stock exchange,' which apart from the fundamentals, is also dependent on the perception of the company' s future performance and the demand-supply scenario. And hence the market price is generally different from its book value.

NAV doesn' t include the the projected confirmed income this company has stated in the FY2014 financial report. Neither does it include any further opportunities it has for the future. Therefore if you are waiting for the share price to drop to the NAV value, sometimes, you may be missing the boat. Just for your sharing. 

 

Okay I am going for holiday soon. See you all guys when have time.  wink

Qanghoo      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 16:48) Posted:



Yep, according to their latest financial result, NAV is 54.4.  I use Shareinvestor, which is owned by SPH that most reputable of media grps in spore.  N I used to think until now that their data are updated on time n professionally done.  Yet, I get this kind of crap.  So, for those of u who are Shareinvestor subscribers, n those being accosted to do so at exhibitions, please beware of this crap tool.  I think maybe I shall drop the SPH CEO a stinker. 

spore1      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 16:23) Posted:

NAV only 54 cents.Ok can consider around 54 cent
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No matter what its the leader I felt. If you own this company 33.3% or more shares. You will work doubly hard for it. Plus, you must have the vision and directions on where you are heading. 

Many times, I hv seen private companies that got listed and just there.. for the $$ nia. Not much motivations.wink

Qanghoo      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 16:51) Posted:



In spore, we seem to think we produce quality work n we are very atas.  The truth, as what I' ve often tought is that our lack of commitment is extremely high n that' s why I think we are prone to not making it in the longer term.  Just look at NOL ....

Qanghoo      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 16:48) Posted:



Yep, according to their latest financial result, NAV is 54.4.  I use Shareinvestor, which is owned by SPH that most reputable of media grps in spore.  N I used to think until now that their data are updated on time n professionally done.  Yet, I get this kind of crap.  So, for those of u who are Shareinvestor subscribers, n those being accosted to do so at exhibitions, please beware of this crap tool.  I think maybe I shall drop the SPH CEO a stinker. 


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In spore, we seem to think we produce quality work n we are very atas.  The truth, as what I' ve often tought is that our lack of commitment is extremely high n that' s why I think we are prone to not making it in the longer term.  Just look at NOL ....

Qanghoo      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 16:48) Posted:



Yep, according to their latest financial result, NAV is 54.4.  I use Shareinvestor, which is owned by SPH that most reputable of media grps in spore.  N I used to think until now that their data are updated on time n professionally done.  Yet, I get this kind of crap.  So, for those of u who are Shareinvestor subscribers, n those being accosted to do so at exhibitions, please beware of this crap tool.  I think maybe I shall drop the SPH CEO a stinker. 

spore1      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 16:23) Posted:

NAV only 54 cents.Ok can consider around 54 cent
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Yep, according to their latest financial result, NAV is 54.4.  I use Shareinvestor, which is owned by SPH that most reputable of media grps in spore.  N I used to think until now that their data are updated on time n professionally done.  Yet, I get this kind of crap.  So, for those of u who are Shareinvestor subscribers, n those being accosted to do so at exhibitions, please beware of this crap tool.  I think maybe I shall drop the SPH CEO a stinker. 

spore1      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 16:23) Posted:

NAV only 54 cents.Ok can consider around 54 cents

Qanghoo      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 15:55) Posted:



I think NAV > $1.00.  PUB buys desalinated water from them.  Waste collectors will pay them for waste disposal n on top of that, they get to sell the electricity generated from waste incineration.  Of course we hope their external wing will do well too.  So, all in all, my take is this stock is for the long term - wld probably become a strong div stock in time to come. 


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Buy back? Dreaming!!!

As Hyflux has only    left about $1.4 million quota to buy more  treasury shares, any futher buy backs will be insignificant!  Just look at its buy back report on 30 Nov, you will see it clearlly.

ruanlai      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 16:21) Posted:



Shortists no more meats liao.......

Short covering must be fast.......daily shares buying back will be kicked in soon......

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Totally agree with your view.

In long run, low oil price will negatively affect the company' s profit margin  resulting from the byproduct of the new WTE plant

for the time being,  low oil price should benefit the company  in form of  current cheap power, improving their perfromance by reducing operational cost.

All in all, low oil price should have a mixed impact on the company. Currently, its impact is positive rather than negative.

 

Most importantly, share price reflects a company' s fundamental performance. If the fundamental keeps sliding dwon contineously, how to  support its share price not to slide down?

I am a long-term supporter for Hyflux (since 2007) but can not help from being dissappointed at its performance of last 5-6 years. Really upset.

 

 

Qanghoo      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 15:42) Posted:



I' d say this, but it' s not for now cos the WTE plant probably is 4 yrs' time.  They' ll generate electricity as a byproduct of refuse incineration.  If oil px remains low (which I seriously doubt)  then, they will have to compete with the cheap producers in the electricity mkt to sell cheap n that' d compress their margins.  On the other hand, I think the desalination plant will continue to tap from the electricity pool for running the plant at least until TuasOne starts ops n the current oil px translating into cheap power shd benefit them. That' s my take.  I' m no engineer.  Only that I think when the new incineration plant comes on stream, this Hyflus wld probably be stronger financially n profitability w d improve. 

paranomic123      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 15:27) Posted:



High oil prices will benefit. 

I can only tell you these, the rest you need to do some homework, if you are seriously interested in this counter


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DOW future up more than 100+

Oil up more than 50cents.....

Tmr will be up up up.

No much in selling queue.......not enough to cover short......

Good luck...
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 Alert Admin 		NAV only 54 cents.Ok can consider around 54 cents

Qanghoo      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 15:55) Posted:



I think NAV > $1.00.  PUB buys desalinated water from them.  Waste collectors will pay them for waste disposal n on top of that, they get to sell the electricity generated from waste incineration.  Of course we hope their external wing will do well too.  So, all in all, my take is this stock is for the long term - wld probably become a strong div stock in time to come. 

spore1      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 15:46) Posted:

Seems gd.If NAV is 60 cents think can cosinder when u see a U-Turn then Long.The comp has strong connection with gov project. Financially should be OK since they HV the $$ to buy bk shar
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Shortists no more meats liao.......

Short covering must be fast.......daily shares buying back will be kicked in soon......
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Not problem. 

Pleasures. With oil prices escalating, you will see hyflux shares flying higher too  smiley. 

You can speak to any fund manager, they will be glad to explain to you. Provided, you must buy into their funds.

creamyazure      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 15:45) Posted:



Is this a miracle logic should not tell anyone in the forum? Very interesting...

 

Thank you very much anyway.

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High oil prices will benefit. 

I can only tell you these, the rest you need to do some homework, if you are seriously interested in this counter


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I think NAV > $1.00.  PUB buys desalinated water from them.  Waste collectors will pay them for waste disposal n on top of that, they get to sell the electricity generated from waste incineration.  Of course we hope their external wing will do well too.  So, all in all, my take is this stock is for the long term - wld probably become a strong div stock in time to come. 

spore1      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 15:46) Posted:

Seems gd.If NAV is 60 cents think can cosinder when u see a U-Turn then Long.The comp has strong connection with gov project. Financially should be OK since they HV the $$ to buy bk share

Qanghoo      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 15:42) Posted:



I' d say this, but it' s not for now cos the WTE plant probably is 4 yrs' time.  They' ll generate electricity as a byproduct of refuse incineration.  If oil px remains low (which I seriously doubt)  then, they will have to compete with the cheap producers in the electricity mkt to sell cheap n that' d compress their margins.  On the other hand, I think the desalination plant will continue to tap from the electricity pool for running the plant at least until TuasOne starts ops n the current oil px translating into cheap power shd benefit them. That' s my take.  I' m no engineer.  Only that I think when the new incineration plant comes on stream, this Hyflus wld probably be stronger financially n profitability w d improve. 


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 Alert Admin 		Seems gd.If NAV is 60 cents think can cosinder when u see a U-Turn then Long.The comp has strong connection with gov project. Financially should be OK since they HV the $$ to buy bk share

Qanghoo      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 15:42) Posted:



I' d say this, but it' s not for now cos the WTE plant probably is 4 yrs' time.  They' ll generate electricity as a byproduct of refuse incineration.  If oil px remains low (which I seriously doubt)  then, they will have to compete with the cheap producers in the electricity mkt to sell cheap n that' d compress their margins.  On the other hand, I think the desalination plant will continue to tap from the electricity pool for running the plant at least until TuasOne starts ops n the current oil px translating into cheap power shd benefit them. That' s my take.  I' m no engineer.  Only that I think when the new incineration plant comes on stream, this Hyflus wld probably be stronger financially n profitability w d improve. 

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High oil prices will benefit. 

I can only tell you these, the rest you need to do some homework, if you are seriously interested in this counter


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Is this a miracle logic should not tell anyone in the forum? Very interesting...

 

Thank you very much anyway.

paranomic123      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 15:27) Posted:



High oil prices will benefit. 

I can only tell you these, the rest you need to do some homework, if you are seriously interested in this counter

creamyazure      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 15:04) Posted:



The pic you pasted is too bright to see!

We  really wish Hyflux' s future woud not follow the steep downward  trendline of its fundamental performances in last 5-6 years.

 

You said " The shorting or worrying should be attributed to the oil price" . Why so?! We tought the cheap oil price should benefit Hyflux, not another way around?!


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I' d say this, but it' s not for now cos the WTE plant probably is 4 yrs' time.  They' ll generate electricity as a byproduct of refuse incineration.  If oil px remains low (which I seriously doubt)  then, they will have to compete with the cheap producers in the electricity mkt to sell cheap n that' d compress their margins.  On the other hand, I think the desalination plant will continue to tap from the electricity pool for running the plant at least until TuasOne starts ops n the current oil px translating into cheap power shd benefit them. That' s my take.  I' m no engineer.  Only that I think when the new incineration plant comes on stream, this Hyflus wld probably be stronger financially n profitability w d improve. 

paranomic123      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 15:27) Posted:



High oil prices will benefit. 

I can only tell you these, the rest you need to do some homework, if you are seriously interested in this counter

creamyazure      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 15:04) Posted:



The pic you pasted is too bright to see!

We  really wish Hyflux' s future woud not follow the steep downward  trendline of its fundamental performances in last 5-6 years.

 

You said " The shorting or worrying should be attributed to the oil price" . Why so?! We tought the cheap oil price should benefit Hyflux, not another way around?!


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High oil prices will benefit. 

I can only tell you these, the rest you need to do some homework, if you are seriously interested in this counter

creamyazure      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 15:04) Posted:



The pic you pasted is too bright to see!

We  really wish Hyflux' s future woud not follow the steep downward  trendline of its fundamental performances in last 5-6 years.

 

You said " The shorting or worrying should be attributed to the oil price" . Why so?! We tought the cheap oil price should benefit Hyflux, not another way around?!

paranomic123      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 14:22) Posted:



Allowed some mistakes of margin (+-5%)

Orginal onhand 528 mil.

Current onhand 323 mil.Operating cash outflow after SCA and tax paid was due to investments in the Tuaspring and Qurayyat projects.Tuaspring Power Plant&rsquo s testing and commissioning is on track, scheduled to be fully operational in 2016.   &bull Development of WTE plant in Singapore, Qurayyat Independent Water Project and other projects in Middle East will take place over next few years. 

The shorting or worrying should be attributed to the oil price. 

Online : Projects online.. u go take a look.how many U will understand why the next 10 -15 years income no need to worry. I dont know how to paste the pic. You refer to the FResult2014, 2015 this year income- approx 23 mil (low Ley), 2016 next year - Whopping 85mil, 2017 - 105 mil..etc

The current major share holder I saw only 2 parties. Olivia 33.3%, DBS nominees (ard 10 %), rest kacang puteh across 4-6%.

Don' t see much downside and 2016 will be an exciting year. Financing with banks should' t be any problem. Healthy outlook. I also I don' t see WTE project need to cough out 600+ mil immediate. But to secure should be fine. 


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The pic you pasted is too bright to see!

We  really wish Hyflux' s future woud not follow the steep downward  trendline of its fundamental performances in last 5-6 years.

 

You said " The shorting or worrying should be attributed to the oil price" . Why so?! We tought the cheap oil price should benefit Hyflux, not another way around?!

paranomic123      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 14:22) Posted:



Allowed some mistakes of margin (+-5%)

Orginal onhand 528 mil.

Current onhand 323 mil.Operating cash outflow after SCA and tax paid was due to investments in the Tuaspring and Qurayyat projects.Tuaspring Power Plant&rsquo s testing and commissioning is on track, scheduled to be fully operational in 2016.   &bull Development of WTE plant in Singapore, Qurayyat Independent Water Project and other projects in Middle East will take place over next few years. 

The shorting or worrying should be attributed to the oil price. 

Online : Projects online.. u go take a look.how many U will understand why the next 10 -15 years income no need to worry. I dont know how to paste the pic. You refer to the FResult2014, 2015 this year income- approx 23 mil (low Ley), 2016 next year - Whopping 85mil, 2017 - 105 mil..etc

The current major share holder I saw only 2 parties. Olivia 33.3%, DBS nominees (ard 10 %), rest kacang puteh across 4-6%.

Don' t see much downside and 2016 will be an exciting year. Financing with banks should' t be any problem. Healthy outlook. I also I don' t see WTE project need to cough out 600+ mil immediate. But to secure should be fine. 

Qanghoo      ( Date: 10-Dec-2015 13:45) Posted:



Think in the announcement they said Hyflux (ie, excluding partner MHI) will under engineering n constn work worth 636 mil.    Currently cash in hand abt 240 mil or 33c/share.  So, if really got rights issue, guesstimate is in region of 300 mil+.  But like other brothers here suggest, they may explore other funding options.  This notion struck me cos there seem to be a lot of selling down lately. 


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