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28-Jan-2021 07:34
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How abt US airline how?
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vicloo
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28-Jan-2021 06:35
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There is chance to go back under 4 i think
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28-Jan-2021 06:21
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???
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uiop1223
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28-Jan-2021 04:39
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MCB is expensive compared to taking loans now
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27-Jan-2021 23:11
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Enjoy the rally.... long to enjoy... | ||||
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maxlim3
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27-Jan-2021 23:06
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Actually i think they are very smart to issue the MCB and structure in such a way to attact / confuse investors. Also, by issuing MCB, it minimise the drop in share price, hide the share dilution to a certain degree and report the MCB as equity instead in their balance sheet. :)  Also,  the company may prefer to issue bonds instead and will try to delay going to the MCB route as long as possible as the take-up rate for the MCB will be lower than the first (which is not very impressive to begin with) and the amount to be issued will likly to be in the billions (hard for SH to absorb).  The share price will definately drop if they going to issue the second tranch. 
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27-Jan-2021 22:07
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once survive last year.... no more fear... long to enjoy... | ||||
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vicloo
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27-Jan-2021 21:08
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SAVIORFOREVER
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27-Jan-2021 18:13
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You seems not worried, are you holding below 350?
Trade with awareness and DYODD
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Isolator
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27-Jan-2021 16:25
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Don?t need know why and how Sia can go above 6.8 very soon... long to enjoy... | ||||
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27-Jan-2021 16:13
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If load don't let go, tomorrow will be up abit more...
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Bic_cherry
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27-Jan-2021 16:07
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I suspect that Temasek/  gahmen is prepared for SIA share price to hover around $3 level for a long while. MCB is the safe bet, limited upside and downside but mid point should be the same (default is pay u in shares, worth $4.84 at time of exchange, which works out to an interest rate of 6% p.a. if it were a vanilla bond).  Those $3 rights shares already gave shareholders some upside, so to be fair, there must be down side where the SIA share price also can fall below $3. Maybe SIA share price will fall further after SIA draws down tranche 2 of the MCB to burn more $$$.  Anyway, it is impossible for SIA share price to exceed $4.84 UNLESS they redeem all the MCB because only an idiot will pay that price for a company which show itself to be stupid to pay 4-6% on debt when they could well sell more equity or debt to avoid such high interest rate on MCB debt to keep the cash reserves of SIA, not least share price and dividend payouts stable for the long run. 
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27-Jan-2021 15:50
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If load don't let go, tomorrow will be up abit more...
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Isolator
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27-Jan-2021 14:24
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Long to enjoy the charge up.... huat la... | ||||
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27-Jan-2021 09:11
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Faster load, afternoon will up more...
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maxlim3
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27-Jan-2021 08:24
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You may be right about the 900m losses per Q. I used 550m because of Q2 result after making some adjustments and to give them the best case scenario. Even using 550m losses for Q 3 and Q4, I still can't find reasons to long. That's is why I Don see reasons to long.
Good take on the MCB.
Talking about the MCB. Most in the management team did not even subscribe to it. That said alot about how they feel about the company.
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SAVIORFOREVER
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27-Jan-2021 08:16
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There's nothing to fear if you don't own any shares.
Trade with awareness and DYODD
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27-Jan-2021 07:58
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For so many day drop, Today should be up | ||||
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Bic_cherry
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27-Jan-2021 06:22
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Why not loss of $900M per quarter, CEO already said they just managed to cut loss to under $300M/ month.
 
Anyway, not unreasonable for SIA share price to fall below $2.68.
 
$2.68 is the amount that an MCB holder effectively pays to obtain one SIA share if the default option in payment in shares for investment in MCB is the eventual outcome.
 
So if the SIA share price in 2030 is $2.68 and conditional upon fact that zero SIA dividend is paid till 2030, then an MCB holder has not suffered any financial loss if inflation is not taken into account (e.g. he has just obtained back exactly what he invested at the start at zero % interest).
 
Thus, SIA share price of $2.68 is no big deal really.
 
SIA shareholders also have no justification to KPKB because they were in first instance offered to buy the MCB at $1 and also later on at 85¢ at its lowest or even at below 90¢ pre COVID-19 vaccine roll out. This is effectively an insurance product so they can average their SIA share price downwards in case of SIA share price drop (i.e. falls below $4.84 conversion rate). SIA shareholders who had shun MCB were thus greedy people, hoping for higher returns. They deserve no sympathy because they didn' t buy the MCB to ' insure' against excessive losses.
 
Share market will be volatile, especially for airline stocks like Singapore with no domestic airline service.
 
I understand that SMRT was privatised by Temasek to hide the quantum and urgency of equipment repair costs and not because they scooped a cheap company (they kinda neglected the equipment to begin with). The metro equipment was apparently so poorly maintained that massive cash injection was necessary to prevent significant metro breakdowns and shareholders will vehemently protest such large emergency repair costs and probably make public SMRT director misdeeds. 
Something like government-retail share holder mutual cover up so government could proceed with the expensive urgent emergency equipment repairs whilst shareholders are silenced with a reasonably priced company buy out.
 
 
As for SIA, there is no critical need for any fund injection (e.g. for non-airworthy planes etc) as Temasek already backstopped the $6.2B of MCB. Retail shareholders can either sell their SIA shares or else buy more MCB when released to somewhat insure themselves against excessive losses if SIA continues to lose money. 
 
That SIA will do badly is expected and Temasek already is helping out massively by backstopping the MCB and meanwhile, SIA is obtaining debt reasonably cheap.
 
No further cash injection or delisting is necessary because even if SIA share price hit under $2.68, Temasek will still backstop S$6.2B of MCB, so SIA will remain solvent, even if it' s share price traded under $2 I believe.
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maxlim3
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26-Jan-2021 23:26
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Nice. Thanks for the reminder about SMRT. I think it is a possibility but the possibility is very low for NOW.
Low because I think SIA is still profitable after post covid and it is ok to make profit as compared to public transport (public outcry). Also, the company can still tap on the extensive credit line for now.
Again, the ultimate question is the earnings and number of shares (EPS).
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